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I can see how this information would be detrimental to you. You'd have a lot to refactor if the evidence I've presented cannot be refuted. It's laid out. Do with it what you will.

You're an INFP bro 😆

What happened to open mindedness? Take a look for yourself: https://www.personality-database.com/ You're in there as well.

You may be right. I'm no type expert, so I couldn't say. This is just what the personality-database.com reports, which is based on number of votes from the typology community. Hawkins being ENTP is way off. As for Tolle, 94 votes for INFJ vs 8 for INFP. For Rupert: Ignore introverted intuition if you want, but the typology community converges on most of the masters having it as their dominant mode of cognition. Search them up here if you want: https://www.personality-database.com/search?keyword=rupert spira

Yeah, crazy, right? Leo often talks about genetics being the dominant factor for spiritual evolution but what if it's cognitive function, and specifically introverted intuition, which I'm sure has a genetic component, but how much is uncertain.

I sense you're getting at you don't fit in the model? lol. Take it up with Jung bro! Every person I've ever known closely matches a type to a T. Every one of them. I always wondered why my mom couldn't deviate from routine and what her problem with spontaneity was and why she's absolutely allergic to my main mode of cognition. Everything about her is explained by ISTJ, perfectly. It explains her better than she can explain herself. When I read her personality type to her, all she could do was smile. My first function is her last and her first is my last, which explains why having a conversation with her is usually impossible. Every family member, every friend I've ever had fits into one of the 16 types. Not just a little bit in this one and a little bit in that one, but wholly inside one specific type.

Aye yo @Keryo Koffa! Glad to see you back around. Hope all is well!

@Zaza Good analysis. I like the fingers on the elbow. 😂

Haha, I guess they forgot about the "waste" part in the "Waste, Fraud, and Abuse" tagline.

Could be 😂

@Nemra Hmm, I'm not sure. I don't have experience with every type. I think you're either ISFP or INFP. Keep in mind, someone could operate within a specific cognitive domain but have values that conflict with the domain, which can cause distorted test results and an inconsistent personality presentation. In this situation, until those inner conflicts are resolved, tests will reflect the tug-of-war rather than a clear cognitive stack. Also, I didn't think about it before, but what could be going on with your test results is if you're and introverted feeling dominant (ISFP, INFP), your answers might shift depending on how you're feeling in the moment, or what parts of your identity you're currently prioritizing.

Yeah, it's very interesting. It's also interesting that introverted intuition is the dominant function in most enlightened masters. They mostly all operate on Ni Fe.

The people who run that site are arguably the foremost experts in MBTI, so I think their test is solid as long as you answer correctly. I'm no MBTI expert, but as far as I can tell, you can spot an INTP by how often they tinker with ideas, pull apart concepts, and see what actually holds up logically. That seems to be their default setting. If you only do this from time to time and it does not energize you, you're not INTP. An INTP would explore every country in the world just for the sake of knowledge itself. When the Geo Challenge post first came online, I thought that was a really cool thing to do. I'm interested in all kinds of knowledge too, but that doesn't make me an INTP. I started the challenge and the first thing I did was start building a Notion template to manage it all, because that's what my type does, it likes to architect systems. So I set the system up and planned my learning strategy, then made it about an hour into the challenge before I said, "fuck this, I've got shit to do." If you started the Geo Challenge and you're still going strong with it, that might be a pretty solid sign you're an INTP. If you collect and hoard knowledge like it’s treasure, with no intention of ever spending it, you’re probably an INTP. 😆

INFPs are sensitive to emotional tone, so it makes INFP unlikely, though not impossible. INTJ, ENTJ, ESTJ, and ISTJ are known for confrontation. If you're playfully combative in your bluntness, that could be ENTP. First thing to do is figure out if you're oriented inwardly or outwardly. That would get you the first letter. From there, start researching every I or E type here https://www.typeinmind.com/fise and see which sounds most like you. It can be tricky to figure it out but you should be able to widdle it down to 2 possibilities. From there, it might take you some time to be sure.

@Natasha Tori Maru For better or worse, I think you're almost certainly an INTJ. 😆 If patterns just reveal themselves to you with little to no effort on your part, and if those patterns often invovle underlying motives, future outcomes, or context rather than content, and if you live with this daily, that's Ni-dom, which only occurs regularly in two types - INTJ & INFJ. Combined, these types account for roughly 5% of the population. Literally 95% of the population have no idea what we're living with here. lol. In a sense, we're aliens and we're the only ones who know it. Thing is, you value Fe but it doesn't come natural to you. Fe doesn’t disregard feelings for the sake of delivering truth. Just look at Emerald (INFJ). She delivers truth but never rarely in a cold, blunt manner. I too feel compelled to show others the patterns or blind spots I've identified if I think they need it. And I haven't prioritized developing Fe, so I can relate to you there. INFJs are typically naturals at making people feel welcomed. They do sense some detachment because they know the others don't see what they see, but they can easily put all that aside in service to harmony, but the INTJ doesn't have that ability, at least not without a lot of work. Also, the "INTJ Architect" is a common stereotype, which does things like build systems to build systems. I'm doing the same thing with apps. I’m building apps that can build apps. It’s never just about making something now. It’s always about what it unlocks later, often driven by Te's need for efficiency. Everything points toward some bigger vision down the line, even if the vision isn't fully fleshed out yet. Also, they say a strong sense of destiny or purpose is usually present in INTJs. It most certainly has always existed in me. "I don’t know the exact shape of it yet, but I know I’m meant to build something massive that changes the world for the better." This can cause some unhealthy INTJs to develop a God complex. Regarding the past, the only purpose it serves to an Ni-dom is a dataset to extract patterns from, then discard. I have family members who like to dwell on the past and I can't stand it. Or if I'm around people that start talking about the good ol' days... Shut the fuck up!! Let's focus on bringing order to chaos so we can solve our problems or discuss something useful or something unseen and of significance. Let's read between the lines. When I was a kid, I was super-fascinated with booby traps in movies like the Goonies and Indiana Jones. I was drawn to that which was unseen, yet complex. When I first saw those movies, I felt so alive. I'm not sure if it's like this for all INTJs but for me, it's always been about unseen, complex things and the possibilties of what I could do to manipulate or construct them. I too struggle with self-care because I'm addicted to my inner world and I don't like to be taken away from it. You sound like me regarding getting pissed at people when they don't show proper compassion or respect. That's the Fi. Fi knows what it feels like to be treated like shit and it really doesn't like to see it. But also, Fi is justice-oriented and doesn't mind hurting feelings if it thinks someone deserves it. Fi (INTJ): “That was wrong, and they need to feel the weight of it.” Fe (INFJ): “That hurt people. We need to make things right again.” I'm the same way regarding public outings or events. When I'm engaged in them, my thinking is almost completely shut off, and it isn't easy to turn it on if I need it. I think this is an unconscious survival strategy because I know my naturally deep processing and thinking are not socially acceptable, so I just walk around with wide perception, taking everything in, wearing a socially acceptable mask. As soon as the event ends and I return to solitude, recursive thought loops about everything that happened begin. The only function that doesn’t stand out strongly in your message is Te, but the whole tough-love growth thing is Te. Te doesn’t prioritize feelings. It says "here are the variables, here's the logic, now, do this to solve the problem". It cares about results. Regarding society, this is definitely not the easiest function stack to have, especially for females. Society says "Women are supposed to favor nurturing and caring over cold calculation, results, and efficiency.", so your Te gets labeled cold. Ni gets dismissed as overthinking, and Fi gets forced into expactations it doesn't like. Directness = rude. Confidence = arrogance & intimidating. Efficiency = cold and harsh. So I think this is a particularly difficult type for females in our current society. They say the best thing an INTJ can do is develop their Te. Healthy INTJs are already strong in Ni, but without Te to execute, Ni just loops, usually with Fi, which creates tension because Ni, the driver, is vision-oriented, and when vision stays unrealized, it turns into frustration or emotional paralysis. If an INTJ is to be happy, they have to be making progress. Anyway, yeah, pretty sure all this makes you an INTJ female, which is the rarest of all breeds. lol. Congrats! I think it's a gift, myself. Let me know if any of this doesn't seem right about you.

Thanks! I was actually just thinking a little bit ago that I didn't think you were an INFJ, nor an INTP, but I saw the other day you displayed some pretty sharp intuition, so I figure you have to have intuition high up. Which led me to either INTJ or ENTJ. Although, you said you bowed to Jordan Peterson and you do that to everyone you meet, so that's a hint towards extroversion, but not necessarily because maybe it's just part of the image you've crafted. If you're introverted and do that intentionally, and you don't come from a culture that bows, I think that makes INTJ even more likely. I think you'd know if you were INTP and it doesn't seem like you have Fe in your 2nd slot (INFJ), unless your online persona is completely different than IRL. So I think that just leaves INTJ or ENTJ. Those make the most sense to me. If I had to pick, I'd pick INTJ. Also, are you project manager? If so, that's a common job for ENTJs & INTJs. Come to think of it, if you're extroverted, super playful, and interested in all this shit, that's ENTP.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

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Trump seeks adoration first and foremost. Always has. He is acting like he demands obedience for two reasons. One, he needs it to continue his reign. Two, his target audience adores a man who demands obedience. He acts hard because he knows that's what the people want. The first time he reflexively attacked the media in public and watched the crowd cheer, he discovered they like it when he plays big daddy. Adoration first, domination second, as a tool for admiration. I think he'd trade the latter for ample amounts of the former. His deepest emotional gratification seems to stem from being adored. He often softens or backtracks when met with disapproval, which is inconsistent with true dominance-first personalities who often double down regardless of reception. A truly domination-first personality wouldn’t care about being liked. Elon musk on the other hand does seem like domination-first. He'll tell the whole world to fuck off if it comes down to it. Kind of like Kanye. 😆

Yeah, I've been meaning to dive into that. I actually printed the whole thing out and put it in a binder but never read it. Below is AI’s take on how the models compare. Notice the 9 Stages offers very little in terms of cognitive processing style. IMO, cognitive processing style is more predictive, meaning it gives you a clearer sense of how someone will actually think and behave, therefore more useful in real-world application, which, for me, is the whole point of knowledge acquisition. Knowledge is meant to be used, not just explored. If it has no practical value, you might as well be making scrapbooks.

I think it's more like this: Ne - Possibility Se - Immersion Ni - Insight Si - Reference Te - Execution Ti- Precision Fe -Harmony Fi - Conviction

Not everyone experiences a violation of those values as a personal crisis - Fi-doms do. INFP's are almost always indecisive because they makes decisions based on internal values, which can be slow, private, and nonlinear. They feel into it, they think into it, they intuit into it, and they wait to see how it all "feels". They often need time to feel out what’s right for them, which can look like hesitation or ambivalence. This is like one of their core traits, so if that's not you, you probably aren't INFP. Take this test and let us know what it says. https://personalityhacker.com/pages/take-your-personality-test I think this is one of the best ones out there. I ended up paying for their full assessment but they have a free one as well, but it might cost you your email address, not sure.

Fair enough. For me, it's about about recognizing where it offers clarity. Like any lens, it has its blind spots. I like SD for the collective and Jung's functions for the individual.

Haha, yeah, again, not possible. Each type has a dominant function. INFP's dom is Fi, which is a world apart from INTP's Ti. Every function is very distinct. You can hop in and out of functions but you have a few that are your go-to, and those go-to functions determine your type. For me, when I go out in public for like 4 hours to the mall or something, I get absolutely energetically wiped out. Why? It's because I'm being forced to leave my preferred functions. It's harder for me to operate outside them. Miguel is Fe (extraverted feeling) dominant, which is all about catering to external emotional dynamics. Fe is last in my stack. I don't give a shit about social harmony and if I try to, it feels alien to me (I want social harmony but I want others to maintain it 😆). So if you put me in an environment where Fe is strong, I will not be happy because I see such endeavors as a waste of my precious time. Same goes for everyone when they're forced to engage their shadow functions. If you're an INFP, you hate these things: Making quick decisions Too much sensory input or chaotic environments Cold, detached logical criticism (feels like personal attack) Pressure to act against your inner values If those don't have a problem with these, you're not INFP.

@Nemra Do you have any creative pursuits? That's a very common thing for INFP.