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Many women I know complain about not having enough of their man's time. They want more, but there's not anymore time to give. They don't easily accept the reality and as such, create needless suffering for themselves and their man, making him feel like he isn't good enough for them. This is a common issue. Saw it just yesterday.

Yeah. It's like, where's the self-awareness? If you set out on an intellectual journey that leads to your main conclusion being group A is superior or inferior to Group B... your self-awareness should kick in and be like "What is going on here?" Of course they can easily say "I'm just stating facts". But of course, they're taking facts and warping them to serve something else. "Oh, these are just the the things I found in my explorations. Totally objective and neutral, and my conclusion is that group A is superior to B." Subconsciously though, it's like "I want to not feel inferior, so let me chart a course that includes a stop at the island of plausible deniability. And when I accomplish my mission, I will store away the truths I found so that I can return to them the next time I feel inferior.". I"m just speculating and not ascribing this to any one individual.

I haven’t yet been able to neutralize those. I do try though, so maybe one day. I don’t have nearly enough exposure to them for good practice. Fear and it’s manifestations are much more subtle and difficult to neutralize, but it could be done with considerable work -I think much more work than the process I described.

Yes. What is the point of the inner world if not to be of use to the outer. They make ideas and theories the point of life. They don’t care if their theories prove to be useless in the world, so long as they make them feel good for being the one who constructs them. They go on adding to them and building new, useless theories. Like a child who hasn’t learned it’s time to drop childish things and step into the real world. Interesting topic.

Project 2025 comes to mind.

Lol, you and me both. I don’t think it would come to that. There’d be too much backlash. I think he can get away with it in DC, but not many other places. Maybe some red states, but I’m not sure. I watched a video earlier that explained a bit:

Yes, it isn’t right at all, but the majority don’t care. People getting fucked over by this administration is nothing new, and it will only happen more and more. Maybe when enough people confront cold reality, it will cause the majority to take things a little more seriously. But yeah, being on the left and for pushing the homeless out is unusual. But his position is logical. I disagree with it, the same as I disagree with spanking children as corrective punishment, but I get how it seems like a good strategy. IMO, strategies like these that do not factor in long term risks are not good. Cruelty will always produce more bad fruit than good.

Yes, for a minute there, I thought you were high and processing sloppily. 😂

We got our wires crossed here bro. What is it you think I was saying? I was saying the education system could be used to screen all humans for all sorts of potential disorders or even attitudes, and work to make them healthier as children, such that those prone to criminality would understand that’s no way to be by the time they reach their teens, and the mentally ill could be screened and worked with in a way that helps heal them and make them better adjusted. Does that make sense? I was talking about using the same system to solve different problems.

You’re assuming to know how I distinguish my list items, but I said absolutely nothing to give you reason to believe I group criminals and the mentally unwell in the same bucket. I was identifying multiple issues and how they might be mitigated or solved. Also, I don’t box myself in with labels such as “liberal”. lol

You high tonight?

These problems could largely be solved with proper development and education. The education system has to be completely refactored. Those prone to criminality, laziness, mental disorders, addiction, etc., should be accounted for and preemptively dealt with via the education system. At least, if we’re to look to society to solve these problems. It would take time to reap the harvest but I can’t think of a better way. Authoritarianism will backfire tremendously, same as it does in the nuclear family.

Just another day. Not enough people care.

Also, resource-intensive. You've got about 16 hours per day. You might work 8, which leaves 8 left. Factor in eating, commute, daily duties, errands, etc, and you're down to 5 or 6, if you're lucky. Now, factor in a minimum of 3 hours per day for the relationship. You now have 2-3 hours left. Have kids? Kiss all your free time goodbye. This does not seem appealing to me at all. Observing married people, many of them wish they could get out, for obvious reasons. Your life isn't really yours anymore once you commit to this lifestyle.

Nice, yes, very interesting stuff! Haha, how did you arrive there?

Agree. They show us our neediness, fragility, turbulence, jealousy, etc. Without women, we would never even know it 😆. Everything is for everything else. I suppose “I” didn’t really change anything. It was more of an adaptation fueled by suffering and high metacognition. I could trace back my suffering to my neediness and it was obvious I needed to remove the neediness to not suffer. The way it seems to work is: Suffering happens -> I contemplate it. If I find that the suffering is caused by something petty, like jealousy, I try my best to penetrate the absurdity of it to see just how absurd I'm being. Every time the feeling arises, I go back to my distillation of the absurdity, and if I'm still bothered, I contemplate some more. Eventually, when the feeling of jealousy arises, since I contemplated it so deeply and made judgements about what jealousy is, I somehow reject it, but I don’t really know how I accomplish that. Actually, I just conversed with ChatGPT and it explained it quite well. The elusive mechanism seems to be "reappraisal". The mechanism works like this: recognition → reappraisal → disengagement Key insight is: Because you’ve already decided in advance what the meaning of that emotion is, the “battle” is over before it starts. This is like having mental antibodies: the recognition itself neutralizes the thing, so it never blooms into the full emotional state that would need active suppression. "You’ve trained an automatic recognition + dismissal sequence for emotions you’ve pre-judged as counterproductive. Because of deep contemplation beforehand, the recognition step instantly triggers a reframing that drains the emotion’s fuel." Not sure if that answers your question.

Mirror effect.

Seems attention hijacking would top the list. Back in the day, there was more space and time to think about things and their consequences, and to share those thoughts and ideas with others.

High failure rate. Easy to blunder.

Here’s one for you : what is the point of a concept?

Lol. I’m not sure I follow. Air is good too!

@Hojo Becoming emotionally stable and strong is something you do as a healthy, adaptive response to reality. It shouldn’t be done for women. Women are just inadvertently good at revealing a man’s emotional instability. When I saw it in myself, I wanted to change for myself, not for women, because I suffered so much that I didn’t want anything or anyone to have that much influence over my state, so I had to figure out what I was doing wrong and change, for myself. If a man tries to become a rock for women, I don’t think it would work well because that whole pursuit is driven by needing something outside one’s self, but the whole point is to need less from outside and develop an internal locus of control.

@ExploringReality What about my definition is lacking? "A dynamic, nested possibility space, shaped by constraints and defined by perspective."

lol. Yes, hell on earth.

This is true. I hate that they feel that way though. They think I'm flexing or some shit but really, I'm just trying to engage in ideas and hope they can meet me there or be open to learning, but when they can't, they project that I get ego juice from it, because to them, they feel inferior, but to me, they are not inferior just because they don't know something.