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No. Kirk wouldn’t have had half the fame he had if Trump never entered. Yes, Kirk was what he was, but he only reached so many people because Trump paved the way for division and split the country. Idk if you recall, but before Trump, most people in the US did not engage in politics whatsoever. Now, the most common thing ever at holiday family get togethers is political tension and arguments. Countless families torn apart. Family members disowned. Decades-old friendships ruined. All this is a completely new phenomenon brought about by Trump. Trump created entirely new attention markets, which Kirk rose to fame through. So it’s totally reasonable and fair to consider the killer never would have even heard Kirk’s name had Trump not carved out these divisions. If Trump didn’t win in 2016, you and I probably would never have heard the name “Charlie Kirk”.

How much does the leader of our country making explicit calls for violence contribute to our current political landscape? You realize we’re so divided because of Trump, right? If literally anyone else would have won, Kirk would likely still be alive. Trump split us like nothing else. If you can imagine a world without Trump, that’s a world where the vast majority of people think politics is so boring, they don’t even bother with it, and it never turned into entertainment. In that world, there is no Destiny, no David Pakman, Kyle K. They’d have like 75k subs on Youtube. But keep thinking the opposite of Biden is/was best. THAT’s actually why we’re fucked.

It’s only been 8 months. They’re laying the foundation. Also, Trump is selling Trump 2028 merch on his merch site. Also, he’s building a ballroom in the White House. He’s going to make a push to stay in if he can make it happen. They’re working on it now. You’ll see.

I mean, we have to be able to speak freely about what we see. If god snapped his fingers and the entire left vanished from existence, the world the right would build for you would be a living hell where they force you to adopt Christianity. LGBTQ would be banished/killed. Vaccines would disappear, disease would skyrocket. Porn and many other things would be banned. Your children would be made to pray to their god, and falsehood would prevail like you could not believe. This is just the tip of the iceberg. People who can see it would be foolish to not speak out about it. If they instead put their heads in the sand and keep their mouths shut, they will facilitate the ushering in of that hellscape. Some feel a sense of duty to prevent hell on earth.

@Inliytened1 The mistake is taking the actions of a single radicalized person and saying “that’s the left”. When in reality, more than 99% of the left would not engage in political violence. Just like the majority of the right wouldn’t. There’s a very small number of people who would actually choose to engage in political violence - but that number just skyrocketed. Nearly all prominent leaders and influencers on the side you’re arguing is less toxic has collectively said the entire left is the enemy, and they vowed to go to war with and put an end to their enemy, all because of one radicalized person. THAT skyrocketed the number of people now ready to engage in political violence by orders of magnitude higher than the killing itself. The propaganda won’t tell you that, so you have to see it for yourself. Also, Trump ushered in political violence. He’s the only politician to ever say something like “maybe the 2nd amendment people need to take care of Hillary” or “punch him in the face, I’ll get you out of jail”, or “i wish someone would take out the fake news media”, and dozens of other mentions of violence. He says shit like this and the crowd goes fucking wild. They love it. No other politician has ever said things like this to their base. And the people thought it a good idea to make this guy leader. Kirk would likely still be alive if the people were not so stupid to vote for such a despicable character.

He’s operating on bias and vibes. You won’t be able to change his mind on this with facts, logic, and reason. Willful ignorance has already taken hold on this topic.

@Inliytened1 I noticed you usually see clearly until there's a massive, successful propaganda effort. You fell for the 2024 election propaganda and now you're falling for this propaganda that the left is the primary driver of division and hatred. You actually thought Biden caused inflation and high grocery prices. You thought that because there was mass propaganda and a huge movement of people saying it. The same thing is happening to you now with the Charlie Kirk situation.

Yeah, that was really my point but I figured that was harder for him to see.

All the violence up to this point is just a light primer for what's to come. The chickens are coming home to roost. I remember in 2016 telling my Trump-voting friend that you can't put a guy like Trump in that position - a guy telling his rally crowd to punch his political opponents in the face and to not worry because he'll bail them out of jail. I told my friend little kids would see that on TV and you can't have this sort of thing. He couldn't see the point. I wonder if he gets it now.

I fell into that trap several times. I'd make it like 1 month and then go out drinking and tell myself "I've got this problem handled so it's fine to have a smoke." I do think it's possible to get there, because I could smoke today and not continue to smoke tomorrow but that's only because I truly don't want to smoke. It's a motherfucker to beat, really.

Good commentary: "Everyone that disagrees with us deserves the violence that we are pretending to condemn and abhor". - The collective right

No need to speculate. People should at minimum have a gut instinct as to what's going on here. And people who fancy themselves serious thinkers and students of reality should know without a doubt what is going on here. A malignant, billionaire narcissist talking about how grand his ballroom will be, which will serve as a key piece of infrastructure in keeping his narcissistic supply filled, is always going to be more important than the death of even the humans closest to him. You can't project normal human tendencies onto Trump because he's not a normal human. Con artists of the highest degree don't give a fuck about people in any normal sense.

I know it’d be a difficult job to hunt down criminals but the FBI looks incompetent af here. They couldn’t apprehend a lone, untrained 22yr old. Not a good look . Makes the US look weak. Think of all the newly emboldened wannabe terrorists.

If it was a professional job, maybe the face in the pictures is the disguise.

Because you categorized them left and right. If you left that part out, no one would have reason to think you were putting them on the same level. It sounded like you were saying, “heres something the left often foolishly rejects, and here’s something the right often foolishly rejects. And I can’t take either of them seriously because they’re both absurd”. The comparison seems implied.

Also, mainstream media, in their attempt to appear non-partisan and virtuous, is spreading the falsehood that Kirk went around the country debating and engaging in political discourse in good faith. This is utter bullshit. He was just good at hiding his malicious intent behind a suit, and with a calmer demeanor than that of his much younger and less prepared opponents.

It took me countless attempts to quit but eventually, I did. Sometimes I'd make it a week, 2 weeks, a month, and even 3,6, and 9 months. When you go long enough without them, you realize you don't need them, and you can start the cycle back but then you realize you don't want to live like that and you remember all the struggles and realize it's not worth it. If a cigarette were in front of me now, I'd throw it away like it was nothing. I'm just not going back down that road. Non-smoker is part of my identity now. Smoking isn't something I do and I'm happy about that and miserable if it were otherwise. Not sure what the takeaway is but for me, it was just a lot of trial and error and persistance. People got annoyed with me trying to quit every week or two for a decade. This might help: the nicotine leaves your body in about 3 days, so the first 3 days are the hardest. I used to lock myself in a room and do nothing but eat junk food and binge Netflix for the 3 days as a distraction from the cravings. It worked pretty good. After the 3 days, your body isn't yelling for it anymore. After the 3 days, you just have to deal with your emotions telling you you need it. At that point, it's matter of will and/or distraction. After a good amount of times passes, you'll realize you're fine without them and eventually, even the taste of a cigarette will be nasty and off-putting.

@Hojo Apparently, there are these things in video editing called "morph cuts" which some are saying explains the AI look. https://x.com/joshuarolson/status/1966204333823037635. That might explain it.

Jesus, they're even milking his death for as much money as they can get:

@Hojo Yeah, I'm not sure what's up with the video. There's no telling wtf is going on with this whole mess. I'm a bit burnt out atm.

@Hojo It does appear to be AI generated but I assume they can create these videos within a matter of 1-3 hours, so they probably just spun it up when they found out about. Most likely trying to conceal Trump's health, which was on display at the 9/11 ceremony today.

For anyone struggling with the morality:

Trump's face looking very droopy today at the 9/11 ceremony. Could be why they deep-faked his Kirk address: