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Consciousness is very fluid. You can make friends with Ultimate Satan if you train your consciousness that way. But you chose to train yours to befriend Ultimate Reality. You can train consciousness in any direction it will go. lol. C'mon man! This isn't a bad thing.

lol, ok. I know you don't believe this, but ok. What we call things matter. Calling a cable a cable isn't the same as calling conscious experience "God". If you call it God, then you're smuggling stuff in - love, purpose, sacredness, meaning, etc. And then you forget that you smuggled it in and act like you discovered it. That's my whole point. I know you're capable of seeing this if you will allow yourself. It doesn't have to be a permanent frame forever, but what I'm saying is a very real mechanism that most spiritual seekers never account for.

I never took it as a belief. I took it as a description, which I carefully thought through and held as a possibility and constantly questioned if any part of my understanding was wrong. So I'm confident that it's not a projection. Part of my point is you are free to call it whatever you want. But what you call it has significant implications.

The word "God" isn't a discovery. It's a choice, chosen from motivated reasoning. Rebuttal: "You'll understand when you go deeper." Of course! 😂

You are the example bro. I agree that consciousness is the fundamental substrate of reality. But to call it "God" is kind of my point. You were presented with the idea of "God" and you were eager to see it as such and turned reality into that. How do I know? Because I made the same mistake. I called consciousness "God" for many years as a result of following Leo's work. But then I grew up a little and realized I didn't need Leo's words to describe my experience and that it was a mistake actually. Just because consciousness is fundamental doesn't mean you get to call it "God" and import all the metaphysical baggage with it. I hope you can see the point.

Yeah, it's half venting but half substance too. I'm only human. There's still a deep line of inquiry here.

As far as I know.

You know I suck with words, but I mean it like it's an excuse. I'm not mocking, even though I was aware that it carries that connotation.

The truth-seeking narrative is cope. What you call spirituality is just preference-driven consciousness training. The only difference between a spiritual teacher and a psych patient is which direction they train their consciousness in. One aims at love, hits love and calls it truth. The other aims at threat, hits threat and calls it truth. Both trained consciousness in a direction. Both arrived exactly where they pointed. Both claimed discovery. One gets a retreat center, the other gets a prescription. lol "Seek, and ye shall find." How does this insight get so little attention? Go looking for rocks, find rocks. Go looking for love, find love. Go looking for threat, find threat. Go looking for God, find God. Go looking for meaninglessness, find meaninglessness. Ask this community what spirituality is for and they'll say equanimity, peace, love, presence. Interesting how these just so happen to be things they desperately want. People rig the game so that winning = getting what they wanted all along. When they hit the target they're aiming for, they call it "discovery of reality". "Seek and ye shall find" is not a strategy to acquire something. It's a fucking warning😂.

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Not for everyone. Some would benefit from the marines. For all the people here who say they just want to live in a peaceful environment to study reality and not have to worry about worldly stuff, joining the military for 20 years then retiring could be a decent plan.

I can't stand mouth sounds for longer than 5 seconds. It seems like the same mechanism. One theory is it's related to how the brain processes "human-produced" sounds, like the neural circuits that monitor other people's bodies get overactivated for some reason. Not sure I buy it though. I think there's a psychological component involving disgust. I have an autistic nephew who has ARFID (basically can't eat many foods due to being disgusted by various aspects of them). There seems to be a strong ND connection with this these phenomena.

Yes, though patterns still exist. The problem is in misattributing them or having an incomplete view, which is part of the growth process - fleshing out the view. I'm betting OP's view has changed a bit by starting this thread. We all have to start somewhere.

@Natasha Tori Maru I agree. I like to think of it terms of evolution. There's been an explosion of complexity and humanity is still sorting it out. The collective sees more mistakes being called out every day, and they recognize themselves in some of them. Sure, they usually reject that they're making the mistakes, but that rejection comes with cognitive dissonance (pressure). The experiment has just begun. Psychological and philosophical concepts are spreading like wildfire in memes, videos, Twitter arguments, etc. For example, 20 years ago, almost no one even heard of "FOMO", but it's a common psychological concept these days. People are absorbing all sorts of relatively sophisticated ideas without even realizing it. This is all totally new and a generation hasn't even passed. Even the term "cognitive dissonance" was obscure academic jargon just 15-20 years ago. These days, even Marjorie Talyor Greene (the most whacked out buffoon lunatic in US politics) knows about it. This is just one example of hundreds or thousands of relatively sophisticated ideas that are becoming ambient in the collective consciousness. This makes me optimistic that humanity will find its way, and I think technology in its current form is a catalyst - a painful one. Growth usually is painful and messy. I feel like humanity is in its adolescent phase without any parents around and it's just going to have to find its way. lol Whether it self-destructs or not is to be seen, but I'm optimistic. I think the collective is slowly developing antibodies to its own bullshit.

And/or maybe just making it more visible? Increased awareness/knowledge of the opposite sex has came online. 20yr old males these days have a ton of knowledge they can access. We didn't really have that growing up. If we did, I think we'd have been just as immature with it. When you get cheated on these days, you can easily find half-truth content that makes you feel better at the expense of the whole truth. This wasn't available in such abundance when I was coming up. I'm not sure if it leads to more or less immaturity after the dust settles. It would be different for everybody. I think more conscious individuals will eventually see their errors, as is typically the case with more conscious people, and less conscious people will continue to ignore their errors, same as always. It just seems like humanity on the whole is going through necessary adolescent challenges and eventually will grow out of it. Maybe in several hundred years or something.