Umar_uk

It was stated in this thread ..difference between being god before and after the death of the body

Natural awakenings happen spontaneously without the need for drugs or practices, or teachers....That's all I'm saying. Life evolves the awakening in you...you don't do anything...nothing you do will bring on an awakening if it's not meant to happen. Saying that drugs and practices are the ONLY method to a guaranteed enlightenment is a red flag and quite frankly wrong in every sense of the word. It's trying to sell something to you that is actually already you and free. Like selling water by a river, it's the same old story, humans have been selling you your own shit for eons.

Life is your only school and teacher. It is only Life that evolves in you an awakening when it's meant to happen and not one second before. We are talking about Enlightenment here ..not biology, physics, english, french, cooking, dance, or math lessons, or how to be a brain surgeon or an astronaut. It's totally intuitive that I do not exist as my name-tag informs...dropping the name-tag reveals everything you need to know about yourself all by itself.

All I'm saying is you don't require spiritual teachers, practices or drugs to awaken. Leo is wrong to state that's the ONLY method. Obviously the whole world is not awake because if it were then there would be no drama, it would be the end of the illusion of maya, this play is part of what God is, it's an endless game of hide and seek with itself. No hidey, no seeky...it takes two to tango.

The point is no further inquiry is nescessary. Once it's seen there is no returning to it.

This is not exactly true Leo. Don't forget to mention eternity can also become noticable without any practice or use of psychedelics whatsoever. It's not ONLY realised via practice or psychedelics...using the word ONLY. Is like saying if you don't take drugs or do practice, then the eternal now is unattainable, unable to be reached, this is like making it out to be something to aim for or approach, and that unless you take psychedelics or do practice ...you won't get it.. but this is misleading and not exactly true.

Eternal means that which never moves, is never born and cannot die, is nowhere and everywhere, everything and nothing, ever changeless and still. That's what eternal means. Another label for now is zero point..or source. That's who you are in essense. You are the changeless eternal now- right here and now -believe it or not!! Only the mind is born - not you. The mind is the illusory change/movement - it is the movie of I upon the still changeless eternal infinite screen of awareness...inseparable from the screen, movement is an illusion - because the mind is already an aspect already couched within awareness itself for there is only awareness and awareness is everything and nothing, everywhere and nowhere simultaneously. The following quote might help to see what is actually being born here... ''Two men were arguing about a flag flapping in the wind. "It's the wind that is really moving," stated the first one. "No, it is the flag that is moving," contended the second. A Zen master, who happened to be walking by, overheard the debate and interrupted them. "Neither the flag nor the wind is moving," he said, "It is MIND that moves." In other words, when unborn awareness knows sensation consciousness/mind is born. Only the unborn can be born. Think about it, only the unborn can be born... Think about it, before you were born - you were unborn...and now that you are born - you are the still un-born - nothing has changed, all that's changed / happened is there has been an awareness / knowledge of a change occurring within the changeless. Knowledge informs the illusory nature of singledom...All that has occurred is a movement of mind (apparent birth) within the ever present stillness of awareness (death) In reality no single birth has ever taken place, and no single death ever happened...because there is no division between one birth or another, one death and another...birth and death are appearances only, they are mental concepts...in reality, everything is infinitely connected as one seamless reality without beginning nor end including all mental concepts...You are infinity right now eternally.

There is no such thing as a Non-dual perspective. All perspectives are relative. And that's what this one here, the relative point of view (illusion) was pointing to in that on the absolute level reincarnation is not real for no thing is real. The real, aka God has no relatives. He's an only child metaphysically speaking. Which ever way this point is being pointed to is different that's all, ultimately it's all the same difference. Nothing I say / speak of is Absolute. There is a feeling and a knowing. An inescapable falling away of untruth. If you think you know it then you don't. When you know it, you do. And when you do know it, no one can take it away from you.

Nothing I say (know) is absolute. Everything I say (know) is relative. But from the absolute boundless inextinguishable Source level there is no liberation or reincarnation.

There is no reincarnation, how could there be? Who is there to reincarnate? There are no persons, there is no birth or death, there is ultimately nothing except Manifestation/Awareness.No 'thing' can leave or come into Awareness because Awareness is all there is, and it is not a thing. ''Things'' are experiences of Awareness aware of experiences. The only existence is Awareness. A person is itself Awareness. There is not a person aware of itself as a person nor is there disembodied invisible consciousness aware of person as person, there is only the experience ''person''

You cannot Love another because all there is is Love. Love has no opposite. There is no ''other'' in LOVE. LOVE IS all alone all ONE. Hate is just Love hating itself. . hate cannot destroy Love no more than the dark can put out the Light...in the presence of Light darkness has no other choice but to recede, in fact the dark is completely engulfed by the presence of Light. Darkness is only possible because of Light. There is no shadow without a Light to cast the shadow. So what looks like darkness is actually Light because Light is all there is, Love is just another word for Light. Loving another is relative which is based upon conditions. Absolute Love is free of all conditions, it's absolute unconditioned freedom to BE... In the absolute sense, LOVE is always present, presenting itself as and through life living itself infinitely for eternity right now nowhere. Nothing belongs to you not even your children. Everything is you already.

That's because questions can only arise to the sense of a separate self. AKA the separated self, AKA the dual aspect of nonduality, and so only a dual answer will suffice which is yes and no in the same instant. Because both answers are true, in that reality is both non-and dual by it's very nature. The empty mirror of consciousness and what it reflects are the same ONE...never two.

You have never seen a film in your entire life. You are the films/film that is life. Only ''thought'' freeze frames the beginingless endless infinite flow. Infinity happens only once. In other words, never happens.

What is the one thing that is not a survival strategy? The answer is: ''the one thing''

And yet you were never not. ...else no realisation would be known, recognised, remembered, uttered, or whatever is going on here.

That which dies never lives and that which lives never dies.

Pointing to the pointless using a concept is unavoidable....

I think the point was never not here.

You can't know what you are, only imagine what you are?

I (not-knowing) need an I to know I I not-knowing must be first before secondary knowledge of I In knowing I - I know not I - I is all I Am - as this not-knowing knowing. “It was not the feeling of completeness I so needed, but the feeling of not being empty.” “I felt very still and empty, the way the eye of a tornado must feel, moving dully along in the middle of the surrounding hullabaloo.”

Yes, thankyou Natasha.

Illusion is needed to disguise the emptiness within.

Never think that you are worthless. God has paid an enormous amount for you, and the gifts keep arriving. Rumi-