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Informing other they are not enlightened yet ...or is not there yet...or has a lot of work to do ...is arrogance, you fall into your own trap that only you are weaving for yourself....you have no knowledge of other. You can only know yourself. Get that right and there is no need to pick out the failings in others...for they are you too. Get it right. There is no such thing as nondual awareness. Knowing anything is always within the dream of separation. You cannot con a con.

Takes two to catch a ball you are falling into your own self made trap again..

Oh but according to Leo we’re not allowed to have nonduality wars...are we? Leo said it...

I wouldn’t take too seriously a fictional war ...it was all in your mind...you dreamt it all up.

There is no one in the nonduality realm..get it right.

Oh My god I'm probably going to be accused of starting a nonduality war now...where is the oh peace and love...there’s just no hope for this self expression..sigh...

Nope...nothing ever shifted...it was all in your mind, the one you only think you have but haven’t. wait for the echo.

Don’t tell others what to think...just listen and then make up your own mind about what feels right. Wait for the echo.

That which appears to make a shift in awareness consciousness perception or what ever....never shifted...get it right. but thanks for the humour at trying to put silence into words.

I get nothing out of Leo that is not my own knowing reflected back at me. the opposite is also true not false it’s wrong to assume otherwise when preaching nonduality to the masses it’s not wisdom to give half baked ideas...that’s not helpful..it’s confusion

I am awareness. no character in the dream has non-dual awareness for one very good reason...go figure! you are confused...awareness is silent...utterances are the dream, total fiction. its what you feel that matters not what you say...don’t be a parrot

Can we talk about real issues here ? and not just project our own biases and ideals. I'm bothered because half truths bother me, lets just say it right if we are going to say anything at all. This has nothing to do with being friends or enemies...I don't see other people as my friend or enemy. I'm saying No one can change the world, you can only change you. If you want to preach God then get it right at least. Notice God doesn't say I am God, in the same way the clouds do not say they are clouds. But if God does want to play the teacher / student role then lets get proper Godlike and get it right and perfect.. not preach half baked truths. Spreading mis-information is not changing the world.. it is making it sicker. Of course Leo wants to change the world, it's making him a multi-millionaire...just like the OSHO cult......and the Mooji cult. And now the Leo cult. It's a filthy job ..The only goal of this forum is making Leo a very rich and powerful man. If he's going to act as the Second Coming of Christ, and put himself out there in the spotlight where all the attention is on him then it's his responsibilty to get it right before disclosing information to world. If your going to play God then you've got to include both sides of the story, be dualistic about this role. If there is such a state as being happy or blissful .. then there must be it's opposite...there must be despair and grief and the feeling of hopelessness. So include them both. It's no good telling a mother grieving her murdered child that it's ok you can still be happy about this, why not just tell her the real truth that it's ok to feel sorrow and deep grief which is a very unpleasant sensation. Why the obsession to deny those feelings ...it's all wrong, just so wrong ..is that teaching the right course of action to make a better world? Leo goes way too far with his metaphysics...there is just no need to go that far, it's absolutely ridiculous...he needs to be more consistent and stop info bombing the general unsuspecting people ..people who will never get what he is saying to them...does he even for one minute think they will?...this goes against everything he is trying to achieve. .

Stop wishing what's happening not to happen. If I'd wanted to do it in private I would have done it in private. Are we not allowed to be free now...? Who is going to stop God doing what God does? Is anyone being murdered here, is there a crime being committed? You know what I find so really weird and disturbing ..is that Leo can say things like when your child is brutally murdered, you can still remain in a state of bliss and happiness. He can say shocking things like that and yet no one bans him from Youtube for saying that, but then Leo thinks it's quite alright to ban people from his forum for saying what they say...but he is allowed to say what the fuck he wants because he likes to play God...how fucking weird and retarted is that. Do you not see how the human ego is so totally fucked up...and crazy...but then it's all ok, to be totally fucking crazy because well ...it's all just God So really, you should just remain calm and blissful and happy happy clappy happy when i have my meltdowns ok...stop resisting what's not happening. Why are you bothered?

So what? Who the fucking fuck gives a fuck... who the fuck cares? ...stop taking this all so seriously, stop taking yourselves seriously, it's all just God banter appearing from out the empty fucking void anyway...who's to stop it what appears, it's just what it is...how ever it comes out...it's no big fucking deal. When are you going to Free yourself of having to correct yourself or do another way what is already happening the way it is meant to happen? ...there's only one way life ways ...life is going live right now...this is not a fucking dress rehearsal......no good crying over split milk. Fuck it!! said OSHO Chuck it in the fucking fuck it bucket...and shut the fuck up. Not you personally Shadowraix..I'm just venting off some energy, it's ok to do that, it's what energy does...it builds up and then blows it's top...nothing is ever personal.

Yes of course you didn't ask for lectures on oneness, you don't need to hear anything from me, but that didn't stop you from replying to me did it?....you had to make sure you put your two pence worth in...when you make a response to someone, or ask them a question., you might just not get back what you want, don't cry about it...also of course my replies to you are going to bore the fuck out of your tiny little mind because at the end of the day we only like the sound of our own sweet voice don't we !! ...It's always about me, me, me, me, me...isn't it...? you fucking rude dick head. .. oh I'm so enlightened, please don't tell what I already know ..I've got such a big fat spiritually enlightened head it could almost block out the sun ..it makes me want to vomit, the people on this forum are total idiots.

Why are you hoping I here will see that someday, you there are not telling me anything I here don't know. I see it here. I here can never see what the other is seeing there because the other is imagined illusion here, and illusions cannot see each other. So it matters not what you there say to me here or vice versa...we're just all parrots parroting the same knowledge albeit in different ways. I understand everything you are saying...I know what duality is because I understand what is isn't. Of course the limitless cannot experience itself without limiting itself, that's why limitation is, it's a tiny snapshot of the whole enchilada, a limitation is just one experience of which there are infinite experiences occuring infinitely... through the lens of each individual human camera. Ultimately once awakened there is nothing to explain about existence, it's interesting how we keep going through the maze from source to individuation of source? No awakening ever happened, any apparent awakening is simply seen for what it is/not...as and through the dream of separation.. (illusion)

The reason it's beautiful to hear is because you hearing your own self being reflected to you from me here. Reality has nothing to do with being spiritually gifted either, it's just the one eternal true self experiencing a temporal self eternally. OR In other words The finite self remembering it's infinite eternal self...IT CUTS BOTH WAYS...reality is a two way mirror. There is no big self or little self ..or any spiritual or enlightened self, these are all just concepts, imagination. Awareness is not imagined...You are Awareness. As Awareness you cannot imagine yourself into being because you have never not been being. You know yourself as being only, you cannot know yourself as not being, you are always being here. You first have to before you can know you are being. Awareness/ YOU / GOD is being both alive and dead in the exact same moment. So when you think you are alive, you are actually dead, and when you think you are dead you are actually alive. It's a mind fuck.

No, you are just making unwarranted assumptions here ...I wasn't raised studying Advaita Vendanta at all...I just happened to mention it because it relates to my own awakening I had long before I even knew what it meant....AV means the end of knowledge, the end of a sense of I exist as a separate person. Ironically it's a knowledge that takes you to your true-self which is the end of your assumed ownership of any knowledge into the natural non-knowing knowing state that is everyone and no one... VA literature is pointing you back to your original source, aka the unborn born...it's the entrance into Nonduality...the Non-dual Self. I was raised in the material paradigm too. Knowledge of yourself is a relative aspect of the Absolute Not-Knowing Knower...,but this material world made no difference to me, it didn't make it any harder for me personally as I've already explained to Leo. Awakenings can happen to anyone at anytime if that's what life evolves in that person to happen, and it will happen only when it's meant to happen and not one second before...A person seeking enlightenment can seek and seek and seek for the rest of their lives until they are on their deathbead, and still never get it...but if it's meant to happen, it surely will, so it's not something that can be forced, it ususally comes univited.. well it did for me around the age of 7 .. Material and non-material reality are identical...because there is no such reality as a non-material -material world..they exist as one in the exact same moment now ....HERE there is not-knowing(aka non-material) known (aka material reality).....HERE Knower and Known are always one in the same instant, else how is anything known at all....So after enlightment chop wood carry water...carry on with ordinary living, no further inquiry is nescessary, because the realisation that there is no one to become enlightened and that enlightment is your natural state has dawned on you. There is nothing deeper to find because all dimensions and everything and every conceivable world of every permutation and every conscious state that could possibly be imagined are all existing simultaneously right now anyway...there is nothing outside of the consciousness arena because it's infinite and boundless. All Leo does is what a lot of nonduality speakers do ..and that is they just repeat what has been said thousands and thousands of times before by other awakened people over eons, it's all the same rehashed message made to sound new...it's bascially just about listening to your own echo that bellows as and through your sensory listening organs for all eternity...just like all sensations, and emotions and feelings...listening to the sound of words with meaning is just another sensation no one is experiencing...aka YOU...IT'S ALL YOU AKA GOD It's as deep as it is shallow. But the one thing you cannot know on the relative human level is the Absolute because you already are the ABSOLUTE On the human level you can only know what you have personally experienced directly, you cannot know what you don't know. You can become aware of what you didn't know and then know it now...but you can never know the Absolute. For what is not-known will eventually become known, but what is unknowable can never be known.

Yes there are, but what I'm pointing out and I know you will understand what I'm saying is that all those degrees of knowing is also God exploring what it is like to explore the many degrees of knowing itself. My point is, God is still God whether God is being curious and exploring and discovering itself as God...it's all God..so even if God spends a whole finite life never exploring or discovering and being curious about itself, well that's just God too. It doesn't in the slightest bit matter to God since God is always this already completely here now anyway. For me, There is nothing beyond knowing you are God the Absolute right now and here and that this is IT right here and now. There is no need to try and cross some far away distant horizon because any approach to reach God is also a recede away from God in the exact same moment...you know that Leo. You can actually know God in an instant by remaing exactly where you are in complete silence and stillness. It's that simple for some, and that's what happened to me. I have had no teacher, neither have I practiced meditation, nor have I ever put a consciousness altering drug in my body. My awakening was completely spontaneous and natural. I have no idea why this happened to me personally, but it did. I agree awakening is a process for many people ..but for me there was just a simple switch in perception from believing I am a separate self with a name-tag..to seeing that I am the whole undivided nondual self nameless and unborn....seriously Leo it was that simple switch in percetion for me...and you know that was God telling me who I am right there in that moment of perception..I just totally knew without knowing how I knew, so this to me is a very simple realisation that can be experienced by anyone. It doesn't have to be made complicated. I understand and accept you don't agree with that, but the thing is everyone is different in how they perceive this realisation, it's all done differently...there is not just ONE WAY...for the same reason nature never repeats itself exactly. Leo.. We can only KNOW the God of our own understanding. So what ever method works for one person is unique to them ONLY...it's not that there is ONLY one way to God, there are many ways to God, but the destination is always THE SAME still silent place....ever here now. It's no good trying to convince others of what is only the God of your own understanding as being the ONLY WAY to see God, because like you say there are degrees of knowing God, but ultimately it's all GOD..so no one persons understanding of the Absolute has more precedence over another persons understanding of the Absolute. That's all I'm trying to say. Leo, your amazing insights in your videos are unprecedented, no other nondual speaker I've known have ever come close to being able to put this message into the greatest of depths and levels at which you have magaged to do. Most nondual speakers just skim the surface and miss out loads of important stuff, but you don't do that, you include every tiny detail....And for me, I totally understand everything you are speaking. When I hear you speak I'm like yeah, I totally get all that, I know that, I feel that too...it's almost like when I hear you I'm saying it all myself. You are a very gifted and talented nondual speaker, you can articulate this message effortlessly, it takes my breath away to listen to you, you really know your metaphysics. A lot of you're listeners will totally get you, especially the ones who have had true full blown awakenings. I don't always agree with some of the points you make, but even when I don't agree, I still get the general gist of what you mean even though I may disagree with the way you deliver the point. But as relative aspects of the absolute we're always under construction here, because it's all God exploring itself forever, infinitely for eternity...infinite never completes, and it doesn't have to because nothing started it and nothing is stopping it. Thanks for your wonderful forum and videos.

That's all you have to remember..to remember here now that in your next incarnation you will not remember anything of your old stale life and that your new life will be all fresh and waiting for you to discover and fulfill your natural curiosity. In the life you have now..what you don't know cannot hurt you. Knowledge is the suffering, it's knowing you exist...because when you don't exist, there is no suffering. Human Babies and animals don't suffer because they have no knowledge of themselves existing, they are existence but they have no sense of self to whom suffering arises. It is only when knowledge is born does the poison that is knowledge enter the ignorance and innocence of existence being. You can have the bliss of ignorance and innocence now while in life, you don't have to wait until you die to end suffering. The end of knowledge is the end of suffering. Advaita Vedanta is the end of knowledge. And that's all suffering is, but ultimately there is no you that ever suffered, the real you has never suffered...it takes a shift in conscious thinking to see that. As for Nonduality.. it is not for the faint of heart, it can make you feel lost, disassociated with life and other people, suicidal, and depressed, because it blows away the very foundation of your very existence the way you believed it to be, it's not for everyone. The brave will have the courage to jump into the abyss and embrace it with both arms, but for others, that thought will be terrifying, while it's a blessed relief for some ... if it's causing the feeling of hopelessness and despair, best leave it well alone and get back to ordinary living...and to remember you live only once as your unique never to be repeated character, so it's like what are you going to do with that one chance you have to dance your unique dance in this incarnation? it's your call. Make it miserable or happy...it's your conscious choice in every moment.

Leo also said he doesn't want to preach to a choir of freaks and nondual assholes, and yet he is quite happy to do so...do you see the weird irony in that ? ..in that he is only talking to himself. Also, do you think preaching to the non - nondualists about nonduality are going to understand a single word he is saying when he practically is speaking from an Absolute context? ...and then he has the audacity to call the nondualists on his forum snobby assholes when they put their two pence worth in. Seems like a very confused mind-set to me.

Words can trigger a reaction, it's not about who is right or wrong, it's not about losing power or gaining power. If we want the world to be a better place..then be impeccable with your words...don't judge less you be judged, stop kissing the feet of others and think for yourself. And you are right Leo is not a fraud...no more than I am a nondual snob. But if the label sticks wear it. I know better than to wear it.

I don't think I'm a nondual snob. Why does Leo think it's ok to project what he thinks onto others? Does saying Leo is a fraud trigger you to say he's not a fraud? ..does that comment not trigger something in you to react?

Leo was triggered by something in what I'd replied to him ... was he triggered to make that judgment call, calling me a nondual snob.. it works both ways. Stop being silly hypocrites. So hey LEO.... you are the most foolish FRAUD on the entire internet... but I really love you... even though. Geeeze...what a joke.

Do you not see the shit that comes out of the mouth of the knowledgeable one...Leo is preaching nonduality in a dualist context, the only context available, and I'm assuming he does this because he wants others to see and know to ''get'' this shit too.... but then gets all high and mighty when someone gets it ...so the question is, now that we ''get it'' does that make us a nondual snob? Leo is two faced, he comes across as an amazing speaker on his videos, but on the forum, he's sloppy...just sayin...imho There's no such thing as an invalid criticism ...that's like saying oh I didn't mean to spill the milk, lets just put it all back in the bottle again and that'll make it better...well it too late for that.