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Eben Pagan is one amazing dude. Too much intimacy for me though. I did get kinda triggered by the amount PDA. You would have to find a man who is developed enough to be in keen touch with his emotions, who's got the awareness to feel you out AND has to care enough to consistently go through these feelings with you. I have done lots of emotional and awareness work ,but for me to care for a girl to that degree she would have to be smoking hot - therefore pretty young which entails she'd most ikely be as shallow as a chiwawa. And she would have to be developed enough to be receptive to such behavior instead of unconsciously craving a macho man. So that's just a phase I need to go through and I don't expect to be out of it any time soon. Looks like Eben Pagan burned through that phase to some degree but this does not speak for the majority of men. TLDR : Very rewarding relationship. Requirements : extremely high contrasted with the average couple. Chances: Very slim. Good luck ?

Is it her birthday? Alabama? Both?

Don't jinx it. You wanna see a Canadian Trump? ?

Yup. Spiritual content definitely is a potential pitfall for young people. I discovered actualized.org at 17 and now im 24 . My very authentic and congruent goal was to improve social skills, dating skills, self-esteem. My curious nature hooked me to Leo's content and my agenda was pretty much overwritten by his at that time ( as in what I find interesting) . I vividly remember scrolling on YouTube, seeing the title : spiritual enlightenment : the most shocking truth you will ever hear and my intuition instantly went " Not yet, leave this for later in my development ". But i did watch it eventually and i fell down the rabbit hole. After barely making it out alive and extensive mental and emotional chaos, the overarching result was extreme positive. At this point I may say I've won the inner game lottery , although my material life is seriously lacking ( still working on it). Sometimes I wonder how my life would have unfolded if I hadn't found Leo. Definitely I'd be way worse off.

Just finished last dose of day 4. i feel i could keep going for a week no problem but I've been advised to stick with the 3 -4 day rounds for the begging. I'll see if redistribution feels different from last week. ( lasted 2 days) Taking some selenium after finishing the round this time. Apparently it works like magic for the symptoms. Besides that, im sick aF right now. Idk why exactly . Intuition telling me it has nothing to do w/ chelation

Well, both give certain value. I'd rather listen to arguments and contemplate them rather than going with what the most popular opinion is.

Be glad you're not in these shoes : F*ck. If i was to replay this daily I'd feel obligated not to piss my life away. I was literally born in the most amazing time in history ever.

@Danioover9000 raw number have very little importance. What's important are very inteligent and nuanced arguments for and against.

As I'm going through this heavy metal detox challenge I had decided to do a hair test in spite of it not being strictly necessary for the ACC protocol but I found I'm Nickel toxic. I was confused. Where did this come from? I began brainstorming. Is it because of the 5 years of brackets I've worn? Is it the retainers? Is it the dental implant? Is it because I've been consuming lots of tozix raw flaxmeal? Today it hit me: last year I thought I had upgraded my cookware from a chipped teflon covered pan to a cheap 30€ stainless steel pan from Ikea. As I finished cooking and sat down to eat i noticed my habit of eating straight out of the pan. I noticed the sound of the steel spoon scratching the bottom. Could this be it? Turns out I've most likely gotten Ikea'd. How do you pick stainless steel that is not laced with toxic metals that leach? How do I even retox Nickel? I started having the weirdest symptoms. Dizzines, a second tinnitus ( I've had one my whole life - I swear I started to belive I'm picking up wifi waves with my ears lol) short term memory loss, poor concentration skills ...

* reminder to complete post when I'm home*

From andy Cutler's book about hair test interpretation

Smells like the beginning of witchcraft ?

Aparently you sweat nickel out. Sauna here we go.

06/06/2020 Started round 2 after 5 days break . Dosing 25 MG DMSA every 3 hours, for 4 days ( 96 hours ) . I'm willing to extend it up to a week if I really feel good throughout the round , even though I was advised to do the short 3 day rounds. Supplementing with adequate ammounts of Core 4 + other stuff. Waking up mid night sucks a bit. The results of chelation and mercury and other heavy metals leaving my body are subjective by nature. Today I wanted to testify that I feel improved capability to visualize and imagine for longer periods of time. By this I mean something very simple and down to earth : imagine stuff with my mind in a more clear fashion for longer periods of time without losing track. Also I can have longer chains of thoughts more easily. I don't get distracted that easily. I'm very glad I'm feeling the results after 7 months of arm wrestling with myself to get done with some basic understanding and research and logistics to make this hapen. Mental clarity was my objective from the very start in December 2021 and I'm glad I had the wisdom to see the importance of this and to pull through the discomfort of making this habit happen.

@The0Self hmm. I did ask the ACC admins on long rounds. My question on ACC FB group : " The day of my second round of chelation is about to come. First round was pretty smooth with very little side effects. It felt like I could go on for at least a whole week if not more. I actually felt kinda cathartic. Im saying this because the redistribution the following few days sucked. Brain fog, short term memory issues, groginness... So I'd like to minimize it. I've read somewhere on one of the guides that " The only reason not to keep chelating for longer is that you can't take it ". TLDR: I feel healthy overall. Only redistribution sucks. Are there dangers to longer rounds instead of forcing the stop after 3 days? Or is this reckless? My round was 25 MG DMSA for 4 days. I supplement ACE, artichoke extract, milk thistle, omega 3s , vit A, iodine, vit D and core 4. Thank you for your time. " Anwsers from admins : I use redistribution to guide dose and supportive supplement intake. Understanding the right dose and frequency of supplements has a major impact on my ability to chelate without feeling too horrible. When I take full doses of core 4 with Vitamin C below bowel tolerance, plenty of liver and adrenal support, I just feel better on and off round and redistribution isn’t anywhere near as hard. I don’t like redistribution to impact more than a half a day or a day at most. We feel better on round because ALA is an amazing universal antioxidant. Here is what I have found that Dr. Cutler said on the subject of long rounds: Q: Are there reasons other than disturbed sleep for limiting the length of ALA rounds? ANDREW HALL CUTLER “Other than side effects? Not too much. In theory if may affect copper and zinc balance, but in practice I haven't seen this yet - something I'm less concerned about now than when I wrote Amalgam Illness.” Re: Ala rounds. (2011). Retrieved June 3, 2022, from http://onibasu.com/archives/fdc/73452.html Q: On the basis that some re-distribution does normally take place immediately after each round it would presumably make sense for me to extend the length of the rounds? What length of round should I consider and would it be OK and beneficial to continue indefinitely provided no apparent problems arise? ANDREW HALL CUTLER “Go for it. Continue until you miss a dose, then stop for at least a week. Re: Ala rounds. (2011). Retrieved June 3, 2022, from http://onibasu.com/archives/fdc/73452.html Please understand that Dr. Cutler wrote that in response to a very healthy person who was experienced in chelation who also felt much better on round. One should reserve long rounds until after they have more experience chelating. Long Rounds: https://www.facebook.com/notes/andy-cutler-chelation-safe-mercury-and-heavy-metal-detox/-long-rounds/1839542899477440/ Just do 10 or more standard rounds. As you have noticed the rounds teach you. Take care of yourself by following guidelines. In the longer journey you will have plenty of opportunity to do longer rounds. - - - Yes. Proceed with caution on the longer rounds thing. And if you are not back to baseline more or less by the time you are ready for your next round, 25 is probably too high. - What is an " Adrenal Crash " ? What you experienced was no doubt adrenal stuff. If it gets so bad it is hard to recover then that is a crash

I wanted to share this resource for Heavy metal chelation. It does not have as much back up as the ACC protocol and I do not recommend it, but if it is as effective as it claims to be it may be soon revolutionary. https://emeramed.com/emeramide-safe-metals-chelator/ It also goes by the name of OSR.

ok im stoopid dosing every 3 hours archives exactly the same thing and is easier. EDIT : dosing DMSA every 4 hour archives the same ; dosing every day at the sime time . Lel.

Conclusion : Do another 25MG 4 day chelation round. Focus on not missing night doses. Consider different chelation schedule. 2 hours 40 min felt good but sleep was terrible . DMSA has 4 hour Half-life and there is 1 hour 30 min wiggle room for mistakes, so I can play with that to fit my sleep schedule better .

ACC on OSR : The bottom section was added after Andy’s death and contains more recent information. OSR, or whatever someone calls it is not a topic for discussion in the group. This file was written to inform those who wish to know. This file is not intended as medical advice. The Compound: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BDTH2 https://emeramed.com/about/ Andy on OSR: “When this was OSR the typical effect on people was catastrophic. There are various different stories about the half life. I have no idea what it is and don't think anyone else does either. (This of course makes safe dosing impossible. Brian) Also please note there were some parasites who were using this list to sell people "OSR," which they made in their garage. Only it wasn't actually OSR. It was some different related chemical it was easier for them to make that they called OSR and pretended was the same and had the same effect, with no real evidence for that or reason to believe it. How sure are you that the stuff you got is at least "OSR" as described by Boyd Haley? If it is something else 'equivalent,' God knows what it will do to you.” https://www.facebook.com/groups/acfanatics/permalink/1238743109557425/?match=b3Ny “Prior results with OSR were generally catastrophic. I received lots of reports of this, no good reports at all from anyone. You can find a lot of these discussions on older yahoo groups from when OSR was available. (Search on onibasu.com in the FDC, AMC, and AM groups for the Yahoo posts.) The whole 'very stable bond' bit indicates a profound misunderstanding of what is important, how equilibrium works, and what the pharmacokinetic situation is during chelation (your body is not in equilibrium and the chelator never gets near equilibrium). Equilibrium is not a static process. Equlilibrium is simply the point where the rate of the forward and reverse reactions are equal. So even at equilibrium, there can be very fast reactions going back and forth despite "strong bonding," which only means the equilibrium constant is a number you naively think of as "big." In chelation, you don't get anywhere near equilibrium, so it isn't that relevant a concept anyway. (The rate law would be linear for a chelator if chelation was an equilibrium driven phenomenon. It is a bit less than half order in all the chelators measured (I am not aware of relevant rate data for OSR and wouldn't believe it anyway given the very conveniently changing half life claims). A half order rate law could be due to mass transfer limitations, or it could be due to a mobilization step that is rate limiting using only one of the thiols on the chelating agent. Or some combination of those which might make it even less than half order (which it is but there is always some uncertainty whether 0.409 is within experimental error of 0.500 when it's a derived parameter as it is here).) There is no information I am aware of that suggests OSR (or any other chelator) does not break its bond with mercury inside the body. (Even for those of us with a degree in Chemistry have a time understanding Andy here. I am fine with the big equilibrium constant. It just says that under a steady state most of mercury will be bound to OSR in a simple solution of Hg (mercury) and OSR if there is any free OSR to bind to. Andy points out, chelation is not steady state. The OSR and Hg-OSR get shipped out in bile so there is an up and down in OSR concentrations in the body and through the tissues into cells. Further, in cells there are other (Boyd says weaker) binders of Hg++ (the ion form that gives us the toxicity). Each of these alternate binding sites has its own equilibrium constants. So OSR could pick up Hg++ and move out of a cell into another then drop it and either have it bound to a protein before the mercury is recaptured or OSR moves out of the cell before it rebinds. Boyd showed some binding studies in his talks but none were analogous to living cells and the chanhges in OSR amount over time. So half life dosing would be key to making OSR safe and effective. -Brian) Conflicting information about half life has been made available by Boyd Haley's group. Given that and the failure to either get it published or really make details available and discuss swhy there were 2 very different results, I would say he and his companies are not credible sources of any information relevant to chelating with OSR/whatever they call it today. (Note that it is also purported to be useful in water purification and to remove mercury from mine tailings. Not necessarily good in vivo. Brian) Boyd Haley has repeatedly stated he is not an expert on chelation, pharmacokinetics, or how to design drug protocols and he is in fact correct in this claim. So given the uniformly horrible reports, lack of reliable information, and admission of ignorance (demonstrated by discussions like the 'strong bond' one above) regarding chelation, I would strongly recommend nobody ever have anything to do with OSR.” https://www.facebook.com/groups/acfanatics/permalink/942847795813626/?hc_location=ufi Andy’s unique qualifications to speak with authority on chelation (and on OSR in particular our topic here) stem from his personal experience with toxicity, his perseverance in pursuing papers even written in Russian, and a broader interest in chemistry than is seen in the typical academic. Here is Andy on Andy: “Distinctions within the very general field of chemistry as to what specialized knowledge we have. Most people are aware that chemistry breaks down into organic chemistry, inorganic chemistry, etc. There are finer subdivisions and I happened to be the guy with exactly the right specialized knowledge who had to figure it out right for my own sake, and who could read (with great difficulty) russian language papers, and who was very used to actually looking up and reading and interpreting journal papers for whether they were actually correct (which is almost never done in academic situations, I learned this as an industrial consultant). Kinetics is not a common thing for chemists to know and the relevant part of kinetics here actually is considered chemical engineering - but a chemical engineer would never have known enough descriptive chemistry to figure the rest of the relevant material out. Also a lot of the biochemistry I know is, well, biochemistry, which is again a different field than chemistry and is not common for chemists to know even if they work in areas like Boyd Haley does. I knew it primarily out ofpersonal interest from a fellow postdoc telling me about the life extension foundation and its theories that taking vitamins properly can prolong lifespan. My personal experience in universities was that people NEVER EVER EVER EVEREVER EVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES NO MATTER WHAT learn material outside their field of specialization after they get their PhD. It is just not done.I was kind of a misfit for doing so. While there is a lot of babbling about interdisciplinary work it is almost never done because people won't evenlearn enough about other specialties to be able to talk to each other and define research projects. So Dr. Haley is not in a professional environment conducive to learning things like chemical engineering kinetics or inorganic descriptive chemistry (which includes how mercury binds to things and what kinds of complexes it forms). So basically a lot of luck winnowed all the people interested in mercury detox down to me. Hopefully some others with the relevant knowledge will show up. I do honestly think Dr. Haley could figure it out but I'd be surprised if he does. Hopefully he will surprise me. I think there are a lot of people in industry and a reasonable number in academia who also could figure it out pretty quickly or even already know it but they lack the personal experience of getting toxic to motivate them to ask the basic questions necessary to realize that the medical literature is, to put it politely, inaccurate on this issue.” http://onibasu.com/archives/fdc/42686.html “ A message purported to be Boyd Haley's response to me is circulating on theinternet. I believe it is appropriate for me to respond to it with some further useful information. “ (for full post click on the link: ) http://onibasu.com/archives/fdc/42561.html “ One major issue in chelation is that all chelating agents have to be given more or less once a half life (see any standard medical text, e. g. Goodmanand Gilman's Pharmacological Basis of Therapeutics). Since kinetic data on OSR is unavailable in the literature it has not been possible for anyone to prescribe it responsibly. Dr. Haley has been so kind as to provide us with a preview of his unpublished studies, below, that allow some reasonableestimate to be made of half life. Do note that when I say "half life," this presumes first order kinetics which are not necessarily the case. Also the range of values he gives doesn't include the number of individuals in the trial so I can't estimate a 95% confidence interval for the range of values in the population. Thus what I am doing below is making reasonable estimates based on unproven assumptions and inadequately detailed data ? notreally enough to base giving OSR to real human beings, but a lot better than nothing. These estimates are a place to start. Hopefully Dr. Haley's very limited permission (from the FDA I believe) to speak about OSR will permit him to answer some questions by providing more detailed data. Dr. Haley says that OSR levels in blood fall to 4-12% of 2 hour levels by the time of a 24 hour measurement. 2 hours gives time for the OSR to distribute so that simple calculations based on blood level should be reasonable estimates. I'll show this example here and discuss it. The half life range is between -22*ln(2)/ln(0.04) and ?22*ln(2)/ln(0.12) or 4.74 and 7.19 hours. Most things taken by mouth do have about a 2 hour absorption period that can be added to the half life, so most people should be OK at least with the chelating performance of OSR if it is taken every 6 hours around the clock,a few will actually tolerate 8 hour dosing. Taking it less frequently WILL cause damage in anyone with a clinically significant level of heavy metals and WILL make them harder to help later. Clearly, all instructions on the use of OSR to date have been inappropriate and potentially harmful. Knowing the stuff is a chelator (regardless of its FDA status) and not knowing the half life the only responsible instructions for use are every 2-3 hours day and night. I really don't think it is appropriate to rely on a single set of unpublished measurements and say it is going to be OK to use OSR as a chelator every 6 hours, but clearly it is NOT going to be OK for most people to use OSR (for any purpose) and take it less often than every 6 hours by the clock.” http://onibasu.com/archives/am/273252.html More Andy on OSR (includes references to no good reports, a number of negative ones): http://onibasu.com/archives/fdc/35162.html http://onibasu.com/archives/am/279770.html http://onibasu.com/archives/am/262623.html http://onibasu.com/archives/am/231843.html http://onibasu.com/archives/am/302574.html https://onibasu.com/archives/am/234249.html Since when Andy wrote those, there are the rat mercury injection studies. Other data Boyd may not be able to share until it NBMI has been approved by FDA rulings. On the irreversible nature of the NBMI-Hg complex: Andy does discuss the concept of irreversible formation of the NBMI-Hg complex and the indistinguishability (on the data we have for NBMI-Hg) from a fast cycling compound. He provides a reference for those seeking to understand this point better in one of those links. Since chemical kinetics were his particular expertise, I suspect we can trust he got that right. A fast cycling will require dosing on the half life. On it potential toxicity: We see people who can't tolerate zinc or vitamin C, so the most severe MCS people appear to be able to react to almost anything! Yes it has a benzene ring but some amino acids do too! One aspect of NBMI is that unlike the amino acids and acetaminophen and ibuprofen is the 1, 3 rather than 1.4 positions of the attached chains on the benzene ring. That may be the saving grace for NBMI: it may like DMSA and DMPS be secreted intact because it fits no Liver Phase I enzymes to be altered. If so, the benzene ring is not released as benzene. The trials will hopefully include autistic people as that is the target population so if there is a low percentage who react badly to it, that should be uncovered. (Note that some have reported negative responses were purged both from early tests results and current FB groups. While this is hearsay, it does suggest a degree of caution is needed.) Hopefully, they do not use it on people with any amalgam present. If that is not recognized, some very bad results could occur. I wish Andy had quantified the reports he had on OSR. Maybe it is best that it is under proper trials now. There are Chinese sources of impure (not 100%) OSR produced for animal use. These are not considered properly monitored for pharmaceutical use. There were also home brewed fake OSR as Andy warned about. There is an early (pre-approval) way to access pharmaceutical grade OSR: https://emeramed.com/early-access/ Phase II Study of OSR (NBMI) filed December, 2019. https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04183595 Their June 2020 newsletter says the study started in May 2020: https://emeramed.com/newsletters/emeramed-newsletter-june-2020/

Proper round hour calculator in hours

My question on ACC FB group : " The day of my second round of chelation is about to come. First round was pretty smooth with very little side effects. It felt like I could go on for at least a whole week if not more. I actually felt kinda cathartic. Im saying this because the redistribution the following few days sucked. Brain fog, short term memory issues, groginness... So I'd like to minimize it. I've read somewhere on one of the guides that " The only reason not to keep chelating for longer is that you can't take it ". TLDR: I feel healthy overall. Only redistribution sucks. Are there dangers to longer rounds instead of forcing the stop after 3 days? Or is this reckless? My round was 25 MG DMSA for 4 days. I supplement ACE, artichoke extract, milk thistle, omega 3s , vit A, iodine, vit D and core 4. Thank you for your time. " Anwsers from admins : : I use redistribution to guide dose and supportive supplement intake. Understanding the right dose and frequency of supplements has a major impact on my ability to chelate without feeling too horrible. When I take full doses of core 4 with Vitamin C below bowel tolerance, plenty of liver and adrenal support, I just feel better on and off round and redistribution isn’t anywhere near as hard. I don’t like redistribution to impact more than a half a day or a day at most. We feel better on round because ALA is an amazing universal antioxidant. Here is what I have found that Dr. Cutler said on the subject of long rounds: Q: Are there reasons other than disturbed sleep for limiting the length of ALA rounds? ANDREW HALL CUTLER “Other than side effects? Not too much. In theory if may affect copper and zinc balance, but in practice I haven't seen this yet - something I'm less concerned about now than when I wrote Amalgam Illness.” Re: Ala rounds. (2011). Retrieved June 3, 2022, from http://onibasu.com/archives/fdc/73452.html Q: On the basis that some re-distribution does normally take place immediately after each round it would presumably make sense for me to extend the length of the rounds? What length of round should I consider and would it be OK and beneficial to continue indefinitely provided no apparent problems arise? ANDREW HALL CUTLER “Go for it. Continue until you miss a dose, then stop for at least a week. Re: Ala rounds. (2011). Retrieved June 3, 2022, from http://onibasu.com/archives/fdc/73452.html Please understand that Dr. Cutler wrote that in response to a very healthy person who was experienced in chelation who also felt much better on round. One should reserve long rounds until after they have more experience chelating. Long Rounds: https://www.facebook.com/notes/andy-cutler-chelation-safe-mercury-and-heavy-metal-detox/-long-rounds/1839542899477440/ Just do 10 or more standard rounds. As you have noticed the rounds teach you. Take care of yourself by following guidelines. In the longer journey you will have plenty of opportunity to do longer rounds. Yes. Proceed with caution on the longer rounds thing. And if you are not back to baseline more or less by the time you are ready for your next round, 25 is probably too high. - What is an " Adrenal Crash " ? What you experienced was no doubt adrenal stuff. If it gets so bad it is hard to recover then that is a crash.

I thought maybe Navalny could perhaps become something but nevermind ?

Aparently redistribution is still going. It's been almost two days since I finished the active ON round ( one round = time ON + same time OFF) Redistribution sucks. First my sleep wasn't that refreshing in spite of being able to getting full 7+H sleep. That may because I stopped taking supplements so often. So take more Vit C and purchase selenium ( I'm aparently low in it and it's use is recommended to delay mercury re-absorbtion) The side effects I've experienced : Braing fog. Short term memory slacking. Brain pressure and " Sucction feeling" Which im feeling right now actually. And also a few nasty pimples that have nothing to do with diet as I've been eating quite clean consistently. I have no problem being ON round and it feels good. Only issue is me not getting proper sleep. I may consider stretching the dosing to 4h at night just for the sake of keeping the ON-round going in a sustainable manner. Next time I'm going to do either 50MG DMSA or 25MG but for longer, of both. I want to avoid redistribution as long as possible.

Just finished the round. 5 days off before next round. Next one is Monday 6th june.

Andy Cutler recommends Saunas as sweating is suposed to be effective to detox Nickel. High Nickel is suposed to be a side effect of Mercury body load. But besides that, I've brainstormed some more potential sources: I've worn brackets for almost 5 years and permanent retainers once they pulled them out. Idk what they're made out of. I have a titanium tooth implant. I feel I had poisoned myself about a year ago by consistently consuming raw flaxmeal for breakfast. I thought it may be cyanide poisoning but it aligns with nickel as well.