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Fair enough, I more or less agree with this.

The word “stereotypically” was important. “Liberals” like people on this forum tend to have a very cartoonish idea of these things. To be fair, this is bolstered by the abject mediocrity of modern conservatism, especially in America. Traditional attitudes to sexuality were much more complicated. Julius Evola’s book Eros and the Mysteries of Love: The Metaphysics of Sex provides an excellent overview of this subject. In short, Tradition recognises two basic roles for women: mother and lover, Demeter and Aphrodite. Modern social conservatism tends to emphasise the mother archetype in a one-sided and tendentious manner, whereas in reality both roles were traditionally respected. In many traditional civilisations, some higher forms of prostitution were even considered sacred; for example, the hetaera in Ancient Greece enjoyed a status equivalent to modern celebrities. Even in recent centuries, marriage was often supplemented with concubinage… The modern conservative presents a hollowed out caricature of traditional approaches to sexuality. The modern liberal laps this up, probably because it is rhetorically useful… It bolsters the liberal delusion that we have been “sexually liberated”. In reality, many in the past enjoyed a much richer sexuality than most people today!

Women are a material resource. (Only joking… Or am I!) I see your point. However, I don’t see it as a question of women owing men something. We all owe each other something. In a healthy society, people would have a degree of investment in each other’s wellbeing. A society full of lonely people devoid of intimacy is a broken society. I see you are from Sweden. I was struck by how lonely people seemed when I was there. Speaking more generally, in the modern worldview life begins and ends with me. My only obligation is to myself. This narcissistic mentality stands in stark contrast to Tradition, not just in regard to sexual conduct but all other aspects of life. Indeed, ‘many traditions claim that mythical founders paid attention to marriage or breeding laws first and most of all, or otherwise make clear that this act of foundation is more fundamental than any other.’ The regulation of sexual conduct - not necessarily in the stereotypically conservative manner - is foundational to civilisation. Just saying, “Let everyone do what they want and it will all magically work out by itself”, is insane.

“I realize now how much she's just like the others, cold and distant, and many people are like that, women for sure, they're like a union.“ “You’re just like the rest of them!”

I agree with them too!

Women are only going to care about themselves, whatever they should or shouldn’t care about… You are all narcissistic overgrown children to the grave, as your post amply demonstrates! (I exaggerate for effect — some of you are alright, I suppose…) @Sugarcoat By the way, I completely agree with you and I would love to see this mentality applied more broadly: ”Why should Westerners care about refugees? We don’t owe them anything. Let them drown.” “Why should we care about the homeless? They should be left to freeze and starve.” ”Why should anyone care about anything? All I care about is myself.” Just some little suggestions for how to apply your great philosophy to other domains of life!

@Emerald I have a joke that you might like:

Of course, I was only joking!

It is overly simplistic to just call it a “hyper-individualistic society.” The explanation for this phenomenon comes from being more precise. In general, men bond through a common purpose whilst women bond through simply being together. One only has to observe the way that each sex interacts with itself: men speak to each other with purpose and intent whilst women chirp inanely together like birds. The loneliness of men is therefore downstream of the purposelessness which pervades modern life. Men also need to feel a certain dignity and pride in life to want to share it with anybody else. It is rather difficult to feel these things nowadays… Again, you should watch Taxi Driver: “All my life needed was a sense of some place to go…“ “I don’t believe that a man should devote himself to morbid self-attention. I believe that one should become a person like other people.”

Why don’t you just stop this disingenuous dog-whistling? Why don’t you stop gaslighting us all and admit it? We all know you’re a fascist! Spare us your toxic and bigoted delusions. Go and spread your hateful misinformation somewhere else.

Yes, I generally avoid it, I just thought I’d see what this guy had to say… Very interesting. I would have explained this through the Jungian frame as the girl’s Animus becoming more developed, but I prefer your explanation.

It’s all so sterile and sclerotic nowadays. I don’t know how anybody clings to the idea that we have been “sexually liberated”… Medieval peasants were having more sex than most people today! Yes, although it’s not just social skills… There is something about modern social environments - perhaps their overstimulating, heavily surveilled and gynocentric nature - which exacerbates my autistic tendencies.

I listened to this song 650 times this year. Apparently I was in the Top 100 Smiths listeners on Apple Music! The live version on Rank and the Jeff Buckley cover are great too. The Boy with the Thorn in His Side is the best Smiths song, though… Wagner’s last opera Parsifal has also meant a lot to me this year, and more recently the album Two Star and the Dream Police by Mk.gee.

Totally. His blog posts are all so narcissistic, condescending and negative. I don’t know how anyone can stand to read it. A case in point! That awful, pretentious format as well…