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I tried to give as little conceptual framing and ‘whys’ to why it is that we do this to ourselves and instead pointed to just the fact that it happens and to relax out of so You may be correct in one type of framing that causes this but it’s not what I was trying to convey. I’m also pointing to something very subtle as well but not directly since the average viewer may be turned of by more mystical reasonings and instead keep it as simple as possible. But don’t take this as what your saying has no value since aakash my self and others have benefited from more detailed explanations as well.

Are you ok man? Did someone get a hold of your account and is playing jokes on you? Say what you will about Leo and his possible radicalness, but man you sound like your two inches away from becoming a radical cult leader.

Sometimes you gotta just drop all the questioning since the usage of the mind can have its own energetic experience that can feel contracted, dull or tiresome if overused (not that its inherently negative, but anything done to much can feel unhealthy). Imagine you had a friend come over for dinner and its REALLY good, but instead of just enjoying the meal he sits at the table, picks up the chicken and goes BUT WHAT IS IT. WHAT IS IT REALLY. And your like, its chicken, its a bird of some sort and tastes pretty good fried and salted. And your friend is like, YA YA YA IT TASTES LIKE SOMETHING AND LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING, BUT WHAT IS THAT SOMETHING, WHOS EXPERIENCE THIS SOMETHING, HOWS THIS SOMETHING POSSIBLE, WHERE DID IT ALL COME FROM, HOW DID THAT GET HERE, WHATS THE TRUTH OF IT ALL? And your like, man just fucking eat the chicken, its good. But your friend continues, but no I NEED TO KNOW FIRST WHAT IT IS BEFORE I CAN ENJOY IT. So you give your friend a book that goes into great detail about a lot of these questions. He reads it and appears to be satisfied and can now eat the chicken, BUT just before he's about to eat the chicken, hes like WAIT, BUT HOW DOES THE BOOK KNOW, THERES A PARADOX, THERES MORE TO THIS, NEW QUESTIONS HAVE OPENED UP THAT I DIDN"T EVEN KNOW I NEEDED TO KNOW BEFORE I READ THE BOOK AND I NEED TO KNOW THOSE ANSWERS BEFORE I CAN EAT THE CHICKEN. And your like OH GOD, fucking shut up, just eat the chicken, and he's like NOOOOOOO I NEED TO KNOW, I NEED TO KNOW, I NEED TO KNOW..... Aakash, sometimes its just better to eat the chicken, since theres ALWAYS GOING TO BE MORE THATS UNEXPLAINED ONCE YOU REACH AN UNDERSTANDING OF SOMETHING........ Learn to drop these questions sometimes and just eat your chicken dinner.

Well in that sense yes, theres infinite to discover and learn and grow into OR not. However to understand oneself as source is all together different, and is spoken about in a variety of ways throughout history.

Sounds like you may be looking into some interesting things that maybe you can elaborate on, but thought I may share something which may contribute to this picture. Tiers are something that are generally used to imply hierarchy in a real "reality". And from the sound of your examples and arguments you believe in a hierarchy and persons that interpret something called enlightenment and "The Absolute" in different ways, but what if this just isn't happening to begin with, thats its actually the unfolding of Self/You. Stage 1 blue enlightenment, stage 2 turquise enlightenment, and stage 3 coral enlightenment, are ALL equally God happenings unfolding creatively out of itself and may only discovered in the moment it happens to Itself (not a predetermination of creating something). Another way of saying it is all enlightenment's and non-enlightenment's are equal and God happening, even though one "appears" or "sounds" to be more sophisticated, broad, deep, more encompassing and inclusive to what ever is "feeling and experience" it as so. God and ALL of IT is happening at EVERY Point one could call a Point. One in duality may say this grain of sand is just a sand, and start to look into it and see that its built out of smaller and small particles into infinity and in and as this infinity INFINITY itself is ALL there. All POINTS are INFINITYS that include ALL the other POINTS of INFINITY. One could say there are INFINITE POINTS or ONE POINT called ITSELF or GOD and these are creatively growing out of ITSELF perhaps unknow to itself and deliberate (much like one could say where do thoughts come from and why that thought, it just arose out of creative emptiness). Contrary to the belief that GOD knows all and creates all, GOD may unfold as a mystery to itself just as much as there is deliberation.

And this.....

Not sure what your saying here, can you elaborate....interesting conversation you guys are having.

Ramana is that you. Well said.

Present moment? You mean the one that is always happening. The one that is happening even when your thinking your not in the present moment. The one that is happening when you want or think you should be in a calmer, more aware, more alive present moment. The present moment is never not happening. Its always the present moment no?

What makes you think your human to begin with? Other people have told you? You believe it? The body you see you call human?

This is a video I made a while back that I've decided to post. Its not perfect, but it gets to the core of a lot of why people feel lacking. Hope you enjoy.

Haha I've thought about posting one, maybe I will now....

Really good observations and concerns. Perhaps this can help. Instead of wanting to drop it all cut it in half and pursue the goals you have. If you get worried about the goal to much or your thoughts are overwhelming ease into no thought detachment and ask your self simply what are the simple steps that need to be done to complete the goal cutting through the bullshit of the mind worries and thoughts and proceed step by step. Look at meditation as training you to be able to drop the minds bullshit so that you can go forward with your goals even better than if you didn’t have this tool or training already (but don’t get caught up in being better then others because you have this training). Also let meditation open up areas of yourself and capacities you didn’t know were there and grow with it. Hope that’s helpful.

Glad to hear you’ve been doing good. It’s natural that we we fall back into old habits. Just remember what you learned and helped you. Preetom shared some useful wisdom for you as did Nahm which was inline with what I was saying before. Time away may be best for you. And again your the one believing that your not real and others are not real (even if some people are saying it on this forum). I’d give it a rest and enjoy being you and enjoy your individual friends and their uniqueness. Who cares what others think. Some people believe your going to go to hell if you have sex before marriage or minorities are inferior. Are you going to let this bother you to and believe it’s true as well simply because others have these beliefs?

I can relate to this experience of feeling like each stage took a part of oneself. I must say its a frustrating and strange aspect of of living a human life, in a way like maybe seeing a friend or loved one pass away and you still have a memory of them that you miss, long, love, remember, are fond of, and you haven't come to terms or perhaps don't need to come to terms, its just a past fond memory.....

And who decides what defines more useful?

Faster or more beneficial in what way? Faster towards love with another human, more money, create more happiness? Whats your goal first of all?

Thanks, glad you like it.

Lately I've been making video's on issues that I think will help the most people suffer less. And one issue that is very prevalent in our society is shame and blame. Let me know if you have any questions or if this resonates with you.

Ya thanks, its really subtle what I'm pointing to even though it seems obvious. Hopefully someone benefits from it.

Uhhh I don't think he's calling me a fool as an insult, and I know I'm not calling him a sissy as an insult, this is just playful banter...... haha I had to look up what sissy meant again to make sure it was still PC, cause its been 35 years since I used the word....hahaha

I understand what you mean.... But dont be tricked or fooled into your no meaning = no worth, empty, nihilistic, negative...... IF anything its a positive inability to get trapped the old beliefs of suffering and the meaning it was/is standing on.

@tsuki Sissy.

Paul Hedderman says something along the same lines, and I found it interesting to start verbing as a way of inner dialoging and outer dialoguing to the degree it wasn't going to get strange looks. I can't say for certain what it did, but it made the sticky mind less sticky for what it seemed at the time....

Actually the opposite, Absolute truth is able to be conveyed, because it is everything. If it wasn't it couldn't be conveyed because some part of it wouldn't be conveyed because some of it wouldn't be there......