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I can see, understand the conclusion you've made and agree to this, but I'm not sure it defines or makes it true. Not to make things complicated or be obtuse, these notions you have connection to and share, are in a lot of ways very open, non concrete and hard to pin down. They don't have collective agreed upon meaning, nor have verified objective consistency, where you can see the rightness of ones stance on these conclusions from a vantage point of objective to it. Nor is ones ending of suffering or gaining of supposed wisdom able to be said to continue past the point of Now. None of this is a problem really, and perhaps this is because of Wisdom. Perhaps it could be said from the place in which I say and share from, and perhaps you as well could be said to be a result of the very nature of what your defining in your above sentence, a package of somethings creating a Now expression called enlightenment (or atleast accepted with Nowness-beings that agree or don't, lol). Hahaha, its so much easier to say, God and leave it open to infinite meaning or reason or the lack of which, all of which are fine.

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As I read this description of enlightenment, I wonder what in the world this word means to so many people. Is there actually some thing called enlightenment? Is what you described the equivalent of making a muscle form on ones arm that has function, reproduceable by some, or all and what is this function? And is what is reproduced through this system called enlightenment or a particular type of human potential that is then given a name called enlightenment by ones who have encountered it. Or perhaps is ALL an unfolding which includes these types of muscle formations and flexings along with everything before and after these systems of insights, breathing, sitting and concentration....

I find this refreshingly sweet. I’m not sure what exactly your seeing but from where I stand all is god. So this is a interesting and unique form it seems and amazing to hear about. Treat her well with love. Sounds like you guys have a respectable relationship. Out of curiosity what does she experience in meditation ?‍♀️

What do you mean by enlightened first of all? What do you mean by ego's temptations? Get clear on these first of all.

Ah interesting, I'll have to remember that approach in the future. You ever thought of putting something up on meetup? Although you would have to have a space to hold the talk, but I bet a park could work or something.

Thanks for sharing the video, it was enlightening. Just out of curiosity, how did you set this up and how many people showed up?

Well said, and refreshing in its delivery, hopefully it will sneak in the backdoor of oneself.

@Truthority Username checks out.

Lol your so funny sometimes (I geniunely mean this, you bring a smile to my face some days because so much of your expression as a human is and was like my own). Guess I'll just settle for sub par enlightenment. I hope one day you'll realize how much you project on other people or assume you think you know what other people are saying. As it is right now, you seem to me to like to think you know a lot more then you do and for some reason want to put others below your own understanding. Don't worry I've been there.

Just to clarify I was giving you responses you may encounter from doubters. These were my doubts at some point (and perhaps ones you understand from your own mind and experience) and are still karmic mind patterns that swish around my not yet fully purified mind. The second part to the doubt is, well if no one knows what they are talking about then its all false and reality is not this nondual stuff. The mind would then try and revert to the old belief pattern of a I/Body/Material based basis of foundational reality, however it seems this is something the mind can't go back anymore in its pattern seeking habit since on its level of wanting proof for everything, it seems to have checked mated itself realizing that it can't even prove its old foundation and just has nothing to grab onto to fight "Truth".

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This may be a hold up of a more experienced or aware practitioner..... One awakened master says one thing and another says another thing, whos to say who is correct, both are saying they are awake and have students that claim they are awake.....but are saying radically different things. Or by what authority other then your own can you say that your awake and know what your talking about, and don't give me that you'll have to see it for yourself B.S, because if your honest about the first question, then that kinda answer won't fly, since there are two recognized claimed awake people that don't see the same thing....

In reality, everything is just being. What your describing is a quality of such.....

Yah It’s worth looking into from many angles. Way way way to coincidental.

There’s many of these that have happened but I can’t think of any but one. There was never a problem to begin with.

Have you tried to stop trying? I don’t mean in a failed way because the failure idea is just that, an idea. But just let yourself be fed up tired and accepting of it 209% with no judgement no need to explain to yourself or anyone why and to just let that in? To let it be ok and not mentally go to so im gonna end it then. But feel in your heart what’s there and say hey god give me some help how can I help myself. Then follow that.

“I”s don’t exist except in symbols but You and Us do.

Glad you liked it was there anything in particular about it that you enjoyed?

So this is a old video I made that I never posted, but theres something I like about it and I think it has relevance to anyone whos interested in equality or perhaps Self. Theres a lot "wrong" with it you could say, lol. I don't look at the camera, I use the word hierarchy very liberally and in a few different ways which may be a little confusing. Still I think there is value if your interested in life, perspective, spirituality or Self. Let me know what you think.....have fun

Fishy’s advice is good. Another thing you can experiment with is focus on positive sensations with your attention for a few minutes, if the mind happens to get bored or uninterested in the sensation put your focus to another one. You may say oh but everything seems negative, but just scan around until something is interesting like a certain sound, a pulse in a body part, the rain, a reflection in the water, a taste, a pleasant memory anything that generates a positive sensation Also once you’ve created a positive sensation by doing one of these you can focus into the positivity sensation itself that arose You may notice that as you do this your systemic experience will shift to a more positive one. Once this happens drop the experiment and go about your day normally.

I must ask you have you inquired into what it meant. I’m sure you’ll get answer back. Perhaps there’s a lot about the way you live that is half assed or out right dysfunctional. No judgement if so but get some more clarity on this message. It will only help you. This sounds like a serious message and God can be very serious sometimes. Deadly even. Take it seriously man and find out more if you haven’t.

I’d be the last to agree with this kinda god speak stuff a year ago but it’s true, I know as well first hand. God will let you know when IT wants to and when it does you will know. Lol.

A lot of insightful information and perspectives that will hopefully pull someone into greater understanding. Just some food for thought if your interested. What you termed non-dual here isn’t a absolute definition, it seems to be one that you understood or believed to be non-dual from where you were at at one point and once you saw more you believed you were seeing past non-dual or more than non-dual. I say this because there are teachers who use the term and don’t leave out duality (or the appearance of such). And maybe your right in that once you see this form is formless and formless is form it’s called coral in a spiral dynamics model, but I’m just say this to show the definition of non-dual is not concrete, nor is anything for that matter lol. Also is there a complete enlightenment? What do you mean by such a question?