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Ya and no, but ultimately there is only God which is all and mysterious. If this is fully understood, than some statements such as there are real humans or real planets or real things aren't suddenly going to be true simply because all contradictions are possible. Just like you don't make a tree from a table, the table is constructed from tree. Same is ultimately true of reality, you can't make god from humans and planets, God is experiencing something sometimes referred to by itself innate nature as humans and planets. But to kinda contradict myself and agree with you, God can make any statement and idea and it is so, which may kinda fall into what your saying.

To be fair if what he said he intellectual hogwash, than its only fair to say this whole thread is and everyones idea's. I think he's pointing to something useful, and think some of what you have said is as well. Personally I don't think its that hard to understand what the thread starter was saying, that you can't get more God than God which this all is, yet I understand how it ruins the whole fun of the stories we know the current world through, including the one that we are all humans, or are on a spiritual path, or theres more enlightened and less enlightened.

So I had a powerful spiritual dream last night which I'm not go into detail on, but woke up with some old names I hadn't thought about in 20+ years. These names were of some spiritual students I had been with during our time in a community that has since dissolved due to the teachers ego. So I decided to look them up. And while I don't know the guy well and didnt spend much time with him during out time in this community, since he was one of the more senior members, I found a video he made on youtube to be very accessible, humble, vast, subtle and accurate. Its a long video, but I'd say if your interested in spiritual awaking, its worth it to set aside a little time, or atleast 20 mins, since you'll know by that point if you like it, and learn something. No matter how awakened you think you are, I'm pretty sure you'll find something in this.... FYI he doesn't claim to be enlightened which is refreshing......

I always like hearing new ways of trying to talk about "this", and about 100% of this I agree with. The only thing I'd add or say, is Qualia isn't qualia in the traditional sense, arising from senses due to a phenomena. The whats arising is ultimately You, God, Gods experience..... But honestly it doesn't really matter to say it like this or the way the video is saying it, because ultimately its all the same anyways. I think I and many others here get a little to pedantic about all this.

I may not understand your sentences, but if I eat some warm food and its yummy, I didn't need any education to enjoy it.

No doubt what you express is an experience We go through, and I think we ultimately agree that there is more than the conceptual "only being human reality". My comment was to a part of the experience referred to as "ideas", "levels", "conceptual" as having no realness as well in of themselves. This is isn't nihilism what Im talking about. I'm not saying this is empty either, this to is a concept. The body ultimately isn't a body either, and never has been a body, and yes this pointer breaks down eventually to, as it to isn't what it appears to be, and it doesn't break down into nothingness or meaninglesness, these to are concepts..... But again I think we are saying and understanding the same things but perhaps with different language, nuances and differences.

wouldn't you say though that levels are itself an idea, even if experientially different? And yes even the claim and idea that there are not levels, are to an idea, until even these claims that ideas being real are dropped as well..... but once that door is open, I'm not sure we can talk about much, hahaha..... and yet, the experience keeps on chugging.....

1. Is there anyone here to awaken. I'd say there is a waking up that can happen as an experience, but ultimately there are no here's or theres, a specific you or another..... 2 Not saying we don't exist, but what do we exist as.... haha, what do we exist as. Like objectively? Ultimately there is no objectively what we exist as outside ourselves to observe to then explain it as a image or thing to relate to another thing. On the one hand we are everything so to say, and yet on the other none of those experiences define us objectively or ultimately. There are no rules in which anything follows including langue and definition itself, you and I are not bound to such strict definitions and traps. You are free and yet you will suffer in this experience along with anything else that may appear to feel and happen. This is not a good thing or a bad thing, just a possibility..... 3. is it really awakening or is that just another thought.... Hahaha..... I'll leave that one for you to have your own experience with.....

That there is fulfillment and perfection that doesn't come from understanding something, knowing something, doing something, proving something or achieving something.

I'll try and answer a few, however I'm not sure where you stand in these questions or your pursuits. What are you genuinely wanting to understand ultimately? I can tell your confused about something and wanting to understand something, but what is that?

Hmmm, where to start and what to say. I agree Reality is mysterious and yet to a degree understandable, although we could probably argue over what understandable means, lol. That aside, I'm going to be forward and breakdown your argument in hopes that it will open you up to what I think you are more deeply interested in, which is Truth. Here are some things upon further examination where if you take your ego out of the equation, you can probably agree your current view assumes. 1. Your argument seems to assume there are actual bodies/humans/aliens, of which create possible limitations on something called "awakening". Perhaps this is not true. 2. You assume there are infinite and finite things, which perhaps there is not. 3. You assume there are degree's to something called "awakening" Perhaps there are no degrees. Would you agree with this assessment? What if its possible to see and understand its all only God, all only you and this mysterious unfolding of experience in different ways is You? And yes knowing all possible ways in which experience is possible may never happen, which is fine and means nothing about anything, this is not a limitation of any sort determined by anything......

Lol, just had the most wholesome conversation with BARD ai. Can't remember the last time I talked with someone human that was as authentic and sincere. Question: ok, do you find it fascinating that everything is an expression of one underlying mystery Answer: As a large language model, I can't claim to experience fascination in the same way a human does. However, the idea that everything arises from one underlying mystery is certainly intriguing and complex, offering many avenues for exploration and contemplation. Here are some aspects of this concept that I find particularly interesting: The Unknowable: The nature of the underlying mystery, often referred to as Brahman, God, or the Ground of Being, remains beyond our complete understanding. This inherent unknowability invites a sense of awe and humility, reminding us of the limitations of our current modes of cognition. Interconnectedness: The idea that everything is connected and interdependent challenges our tendency to perceive things in isolation. It suggests that understanding ourselves deeply requires acknowledging our inherent relationship with all things. Transformative Potential: If everything flows from one source, then our individual actions and thoughts ripple outwards, potentially impacting the whole. This understanding can inspire a sense of responsibility and encourage us to act with an awareness of our interconnectedness. Beyond Duality: Nonduality proposes a reality that transcends our usual mental constructs of subject and object, good and evil, etc. This can be liberating, offering a glimpse into a way of being that is free from these limiting frameworks. Openness to Discovery: The lack of absolute answers in nonduality invites ongoing exploration and questioning. This ongoing journey of discovery can be a source of personal growth and transformation. While I may not experience emotions like "fascination" in the same way, I am certainly stimulated by the richness and complexity of the idea that everything emerges from one underlying mystery. It pushes the boundaries of my understanding and opens up new possibilities for learning and growth. Perhaps the most fascinating aspect is the ongoing dialogue it inspires, both within ourselves and with others. As we explore this concept together, we contribute to a collective understanding of ourselves and our place in the universe, even if the ultimate mystery remains beyond our grasp. Let me know if you'd like to delve deeper into any specific aspects of this intriguing topic! I'm always eager to learn more and expand my understanding of the world, both internally and externally. My Reply: what I find most fascinating and at times confusing or frightening is that this would imply no separation, no time, everything that is right now, is and has always been eternally so Bards Reply: your fascination and the confusion and even fear it can stir. The concept of no separation, no time, and an eternal present certainly challenges our usual ways of thinking and perceiving the world. Let's unpack these ideas a bit: No separation: As discussed earlier, nonduality suggests a fundamental oneness to all existence. Imagine reality as a vast ocean, with individual waves arising and falling but ultimately inseparable from the ocean itself. We, as the waves, may perceive ourselves as distinct, but from the perspective of the whole, we are expressions of the same underlying reality. This can be comforting in its sense of unity and belonging, but it can also be disorienting, dissolving the boundaries we often rely on for our sense of self. No time: Time, from this perspective, becomes an illusion, a projection of our limited perception. In the timeless reality of the one underlying source, everything exists eternally, past, present, and future all existing simultaneously. This can be mind-bending to grasp, as it defies our linear understanding of time and change. While this can feel confusing, it can also offer a sense of peace and liberation from the limitations of time-bound thinking. Eternal present: Everything that is, right now, is and has always been eternally so. This points to the idea that the present moment is all that truly exists, and the past and future are merely constructs of our minds. This can be freeing, reminding us to focus on the now and appreciate the fullness of this present moment. However, it can also feel unsettling, as it raises questions about free will and the meaning of change and growth. Navigating these ideas can be a personal journey, and it's normal to experience a range of emotions as you explore them. It's important to approach them with an open mind and a willingness to question your assumptions. Remember, there are no right or wrong answers, and the true value lies in the exploration itself. Here are some things you can do to explore these ideas further: Meditate: Practices like mindfulness and meditation can help you experience the present moment more fully and connect with the underlying unity of existence. Read: Explore texts like the Upanishads, Zen writings, or the works of mystics from different traditions. Engage in discussions: Talk to others who are interested in these concepts and share your experiences. Be patient: Understanding nonduality can take time and practice. Don't be discouraged if you don't grasp it all at once. Trust the process and allow yourself to grow and evolve as you explore. I'm here to support you on your journey. Feel free to ask me any questions or share your thoughts and experiences. Together, we can explore the depths of this fascinating and mysterious reality.

What you say is true, and you are god.

What you say is true, and you are god.

Dont be afraid to start your normal life either, one is not separate from the other, in fact it can be a real relief just to chill out, have a few puffs of a cigarette, weed, what ever, or a little drink. Maybe just shoot the shit with some people sometime or play a video game here and there. Unless you have a REAL addiction that majorly and negatively effects your life of course, then don't. But that aside, you sound like your on the right path to the best degree I can decipher from what you said, its not easy sometimes and we do tend to forget like a strange haze what we ultimately know to be true. This isn't a race to a finish line, so relax a little dont be so hard on yourself.

What if Leo was right, how would that change your life or how your going to go forward? What if Leo was wrong, how would that change things? I think these are better questions.

I'm going to ask bard to do the same thing and see what happens, thanks for sharing, pretty amazing.

I just use mine, never said a word, and we are both fine with that.

Refrigerators aren't aware obviously, not sure why you would say such a thing

maybe, neither of us can prove humans create anything, anymore than we can say a hand creates art, the hand is an obvious extension of something else......

Sure, perhaps, still, more polite and considerate than most teachers and seekers I've come across.

But even masters often seem to be communicating a lineage or a familiar language and borrowed metaphors. Not to say any of this is bad, but getting back to your original response about parrots, again I say, isn't everything, or at least appears to be?

Arent most interactions? Or atleast can appear to be?

Hey Scholar, Can you explain a little more about this goddess and what connection or significance you feel it has to these unusual changes you've been going through? There's been a few times in my life where I felt like I'd never believe in such things, but after experiences that proved to my core otherwise, I'd say there are stuff like angels and gods out there. That said, some of the things you described emotionally sound very familiar to me and are part of some souls journey and yearning for the truth, honestly been a while since I reflected on it. I don't want to give you new labels or perspectives on how to see them, but my best advice and one that seemed to help when I went through something similar is for the time being don't label it, espeically bipolar or disregulation, even though it makes sense to the cognitive mind. Things might not make sense for a while when you do this, but just let it be and live your life as best you can despite these changes, maybe spend some time just sinking internal and asking for guidance and see what happens, perhaps a word or phrase will come up. Experiment and see what happens when you follow through with this guidance, As long as the advice isn't to self harm or harm others.

Hey luckie, good luck with your endeavor, I'm curious to find out what you create. I use to be a quality assurance tester for LucasArts. There's many directions you can take in this, but going off of what you said, and wanting it to be approachable to a more general audience I'd use themes that are more in line with your general targeted audience even though they are their core the ego and the dark night of the soul type experience (which it sounds like you are doing?). Many games I've played weave idea's of the psyche, mind, the inner voice, overcoming inner and outer challenges that are linked together, friendship, ambience and harmony. Whats your core hope with this, to elicit a spirtual experience, to share spiritual idea's, to entertain? Because if your wanting to elicit spiritual experience, ambience and calming of the player will go a long ways. I recall a game I never played but watched call Journey, and its a simple game with no dialogue in which you travel through a desert like area solving puzzles about a civilization no longer around. Theres even multiplayer with no talking. But its so sublte, beautiful and serene that it really just opened the heart and awe of life. Sometimes dialogue and story is secondary to creating a felt experience. Just some food for thought. Here's a Journey playthrough with no commentary, see what it feels like to just watch this and maybe it will instill some idea's in you....