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If you made it this far in life as you are to a job that accepts you, whats to worry about?

You don't realize it yet, but what your actually asking is, "I want to see something outside of what i call real as I know it now". You see, its all already infinity/absolute as it is Now. So perhaps start asking yourself now, what you consider "real" and "not real", why it is according to you that way and why ....

@diamondpenguin This is not actually so. There is no ego to begin with. There is no so called intellectual or subconscious level/s. There is even no fear or mind. Imagine that.

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I'll give you mind fuck answer. How can you let go of something that isn't there to begin with? But surely it feels so real and there for it is at is seems. But what is this anger you call anger? Look deeply. Is it a label on something energetic? Is energetic with no label? Were you taught this thing you call anger is anger, or is it actually anger? How would you know, did someone point to this particular quality you call anger and say that is anger and its this and means this? And if someone did, were they right? Look deeply... What is anger if its not connected to a person or your experience? Again WHAT is this actual experience you call anger? A feltness, a sensation with some importance or meaning you give it? What IS this "....." you feel and call anger and what would it be if you investigated and felt it with no labels and stories about it.... Keep looking. What it is it and is it really different then anything else in experience........ (this last one may take more time to understand and let in)....

Ya all what you shared here sounds like good matters to keep pondering. However the nothing mattering can be a very sensitive line to tread because its often said, heard and understood with a slant of nihilisticness in it. Perhaps its best to more often communicate, Only Love, since Love is what is and its not about it mattering or not, but just being that..... A word on the Ajata point and I'm not sure I fully grasp what the teacher here is trying to convey (I fully resonate with the Advaita message you quoted), but from the tinny bit I've gathered online, it refers to the yet unborn side of the all that is, is THAT. From my own experience this would be pointing to the aspect of Ones yet to be unfolding, a bubbling up within an Awakened surrendered or a story of experience yet to be manifest. While the One is always whole and only itself, layers of its everchangingness and new dimensions of itself are always coming forth, like a creative thought that arise out of nowhere in a supposed mind, that sprouts forth a new song yet heard. This song arose from nothing with no control. In the same way, Oneness itself is always unfolding in this same way from its own unknown depths sprouting forth newness that wasn't there before, yet is always itself.. Don't confuse this unfolding as form and not form, since its never this or that, its always itself.

Happy to hear that.

@VeganAwake Hmm what I'm about to say may come across as very arrogant. What I'm pointing is perhaps is even more crazy then what this video is pointing to. First of all, This video, like anything from a baby crying and seemingly appear to grow and learn stuff, to a supposed dog taking a shit is beautiful and whole/ly. Its perfect and exact, as all things are. There is no divide or anything out of alignment. With that said, the communicator of the video and the way its told is what I would call still coming from a embodied conclusion that there is real separate things called a world, with people on it, who are in a illusion that don't understand what they really are. And while a lot of the pointing on concepts and conclusions shared in the video are real so to say, its still communicating a type of falsehood. I'm not saying this for everyone watching this video, but for you/You. Again, the video has real value on the level its at so to say to be useful to awaken, but its a partial disservice for you if what you desire is to understand fuller Truth. Look deeper if your curious, there is something here.....

I've been in that same place you feel your in and see yourself to be in before to and its a interesting place to be and understand that you can only HOPE, but can't be certain one way or another. And if your interested in looking deeper, (if that could really be said, which is up for debate), was to turn this conclusion on itself. What I mean is. It seems you or your mind has come to a certainty that there is no certainty and somehow accepts this certainty without seeing that its doing so. Did you get that. Your certain that there is no certainty and only HOPE that someone can have in either this or that.... But this is a certainty accepted. Imagine dropping even that without a answer or a why or a what it means and being REALLY in the unknown..... Also while we are on it, can you also see that there is a belief that there is actually an individual happening in your beliefs. Unquestioningly you think that there is HOPE and someone who can have it or not. Look into that to, is there even an individual happening to have HOPE. Now before you conclude that because there feels like theres thinking and experiencer mulling over a question that proves there is, leave that alone and let the question stew for a while..... just let go and see what happens. Its the perfect cornona-time to do so

Maybe its not my place but I feel compelled to press the issue a little more. Look deeper, theres more love. Something in your words leads me to believe there's more to this then you're embodying. You keep saying its false, then give validity to a reality through reasons and breakdowns to why this false thing is false, there's no need to prove or figure out why a falsehood that isn't there to start is or wasn't there. There is no identification with energy and thoughts or experience of a separate individual happening that makes an illusion. Drop your spiritual definitions and scientific reasons for why oneness is oneness and supposedly why there's illusion keeping supposed people away from seeing this. And see what happens.

@VeganAwake How can there be a subject/object perspective if there's never a someone having any experience and no perspectives ever being had?

Its pretty straight forward and is a perspective that anyone interested can look into and hopefully create more ease in ones life.

I feels he's pointing to a empty surrender to a degree that most teachers don't tread, leaving no room for the idea of an actual individual. I also like that he admits very candidly the difficulty of such a perspective and its difficult feltness on the human experience.

I actually like Tony Parsons, hes pointing to a radical perspective and I wouldn't call it just no self.

Awakened is all things. Both what you seem to be parsing into awake and not awake. And what is this comparing of supposed individuals? Supposedly more awake and less? I'm pointing to something, if your curious, look, if not, don't. What will be will be..... Again there was no separate self, no you that had a separate self experience, it was TOTALLY YOU all along.

What supposedly hears theres a separate sense of self and there's a supposed illusion and supposedly interprets that there's nothing to be done? What actually misunderstands? Its radical, but isn't there ultimately no misunderstanding because there is only Itself happening, so what could be a misunderstanding? There isn't "anything/things" out of some supposed order, that needs to become in order and fixed. As no parts, theres no ego, no energy, no illusion, no metaphors, no this or that. But sure it could be maybe be said.... Put another way, the supposed experience of understanding and seeing is is itself the no-personal action of Love happening. Not a individual having experience and understanding localized to a supposed him/her or non-sex. Understanding is the shadow cast by the light behind the rock, its not a actual independent object, action or process. Understanding could also said to be a object in which its make up is God itself, not a process of a supposed human learning something in particular that wakes up to a Truth. The Truth always was and that supposed happening of waking up never was. Maybe this hasn't been thought of by Yourself, nor does it even need to occur, but its interesting none the less.... Then again maybe not.... Just love man, Love.

@VeganAwake @ivankiss You guys both seem to be pointing to the moon, but it seem each one of you think the other is not seeing it fully.

With this whole Coronavirus thing going on, I've got a lot of free time on my hands. Lifes short, anything can happen. If spirituality is important to you and your putting time into understanding Self/Truth/Working towards opening your heart, I may be able to offer some guidance or answer some questions holding you up. Or If you've gotten to know me on the forum and just want to chat, we can do that to since I'd like to meet many of you..... Send me a PM and and we could do a skype call of some sort. I'm not looking to make any money out of this, just share and connect.

So currently you feel as though emotions control you instead of you controlling emotions? Why not just let emotions be around, whats wrong with the presence of emotions. How are them being there any different then air in the room? This isn't a trick question or something to lightl agree with, unless it hits you deeply. Really look into this, it may point to what you seek. My experience with this matter in relation to this question you could say is like a fundamental aspect of ones script can be completely rewritten to the degree where needing to control emotions may become something silly to try to do, or even the notion of emotions being a problem doesn't even occur. Sure discomfort can happen, and pains in the body are there, and even old habits of not liking this or that thing or emotion can happen, but it can pass so quickly its literally forgotten to ever have happened and at other times sometimes it lingers, but overall it seems there is less fighting and a deep sense of there not being a problem about such things.

Thats a very broad question that I'm not clear on how it helps your particular life. Can you narrow down your issue? Big picture is there's only Self/Love, but if only partially understood could cause one to miss much of the adventure/journey that is refereed to as living. Do you want or believe there could be a mastery of certain emotions to the degree that you could feel and experience those you want, and not experience those you don't? What are you afraid of?

Hi John Doe, Ya fear appears to be a tricky one. However stop trying to shake it off. When you understand the Truth, you will see in retrospect that fear was never there to begin with, and was only ever you and love behind the mask of that appearance. This also means fear is never holding you back, because fear isn't actually there and ultimately you can't be held back, because there is only You. The idea that you felt separated from your body and was going to lose control is just that, a feeling and idea, not actual Truth. Notice this when it happens again, really look at if its true, or just an idea, perhaps in the head or body. I'm sure you want something "particular" to do though in relation to these things since they seem real to begin with, but in the end any advice I could give will be a snag. For now, keep with meditating, and allow what you fear to be there. Then one day say hello to the fear as though it were a friend, instead of a enemy or one to run away from. Let your heart open for this fear and tell it you understand and don't judge it, hate it or feel it has to go away or change. Understand the story it tells you and why its so afraid, don't judge or reject and just understand open heartedly. Do the same for stories of anger and betrayal and regret. You see as I've eluded to in the end its all your friend, yourself and love. So start relating to it as such, even if it seems crazy.

If I remove your heart, I'm pretty sure your consciousness will fade to. Just because there are correlations, this doesn't mean the heart or the brain are the true sources of consciousness. If you ate only sugar, your state of consciousness and perception would change to, this doesn't mean sugar is the source of consciousness either.

Congrats.

In my new video I tackle some of the questions and idea's that come up during and after a awakening. I also go into one of the idea's and potential traps of trying to get rid of oneself.

I tagged you since I thought you might appreciate the approach to such questions since you seem like the type of guy to see things from lots of angles. Basically this brain produces consciousness theory leads perfectly into no-self, potentially. If you followed my line of thinking in the paragraph above. Most materialists don't even know what ISness of consciousness means, consciousness simply being a by product of brain functioning explains enough what it is and where it comes from, and lines up with experimentation (to the extent it has so far). So rebutting with ISness, I'm not sure is a great argument point. But taking a materialist down the line of thinking that if its all brain and there's no you or I having this conversation or ever being there to perceive or do anything, so why not relax, can hopefully open up total surrender to just being along the ride of being a process out of no ones control. What do you think? This is just for fun and in the sport of looking at how to effectively work with belief systems.