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Just some words of wisdom, but be careful with that line of thinking. It can easily lead one to a super ego ruling over those who are lower then it because you are now more spiritually enlightened than them.

Who are the pathetic humans your talking about?

I like this theory, first time hearing about it. ya life can feel SOOOOOO hard, like seemingly so insurmountably hard, make you want to leave and never come back hard, and sometimes you just gotta accept and face it at that level 100%, even if momentarily it crushes you, but then before it crushes the soul out of ya, you just lovingly say fuck it, i'm going to make the most of the situation in front of me, putting your best foot forward, not taking your frustrations out on yourself or others, just committing to making happiness your priority and finding a way to the best of your ability to do so, even if it doesn't always work out. And when suffering and problems and troubles happen again, you lovingly say "ya life, is that all you got, I've suffered worse for 15 years, and I'm not gonna let this momentary new or old challenge hold me down". Sometimes you just gotta make something new happen within, even if it sounds hokey what I'm sharing. Flip the script, through away old ways of thinking, believing and operating......

What are you talking about when you say "But since all of you want to perceive only this 3D world and die like pathetic human beings, I guess I will be the only one drinking from the Holy Grail. Oh well, no regrets whatsoever... haters gonna hate nevertheless ??

@tatsumaru I'm really sorry to hear you've been through and are dealing with so much. I went through a phase just like that for about 15 years as well, existential crisis, kundalini awakenings that brought up trauma after trauma, a constant increase of negative chatter in the mind. I wanted it to end, and I got a point where it felt and seemed better if it would just end. It was crushing, a tremendous let down on the whole process of life that I was hoping to find when I originally set out to find Truth/God/Enlightenment, but then for reasons that can't briefly be summarized all that changed and disappeared, just like it had never happened. If you want someone to talk to, feel free to PM me. The one thing I can say is sometimes we just have to suffer, and really just accept it is what it is and that theres always someone who has it worse, and the best we can do is keep a positive attitude, since thats what we live with moment to moment, and to leave open the possibility that things can and do change (closing down to the idea that things will never change and its just going to be that way forever is going to likely keep it that way), and do our best to be positive despite the troubles (doesn't mean we deny the pain we are going through or others).

@tatsumaru And how do these thing's that you label misery pertain to your life? Are you mad or troubled at their existence? Do you let the fact of their existence bother you over and over, just because they exist, Or are you actually dealing with some of these right now?

Out of "this" misery? What exactly are you convinced of is misery? Perhaps its good to start there.

@tatsumaru Your not a puppet or a slave, try and let go of these notions and understand that you and everything has inherent value that requires no outside person to tell you so, nor requires you to have a certain amount of money, looks or status. Can you love what you are right now.....? And if not, whats in the way?

Ya this is a question that snags a lot of people up. I was caught on it to for a while, not doing anything in the belief that everything is perfect already so why try. However this was just a masked depression of sorts. When you so to say reach this level of awakening you realize there is just Being and you could say its a flow of happening which resembles doing or not doing which is rooted in a recognition of it's-Self. Its not coming from a why bother doing anything anymore, its coming from awe, gratitude, openness, enjoyment, play, love, a goodness of sorts.

@Butters How? It fits into the big picture? Well I'll give you a little secret, You are the big picture, and the perspective that your living right now is just one of the infinite camera angles.

Did God create mediocre masses? Or is that just from your eyes for now? Perhaps theres more to the picture. You ask a fascinating question, perhaps you'll find a answer, perhaps not, either way good luck. I'm not sure how I'd honestly tackle finding out that question.

@lmfao Just some food for thought. Whats wrong with having shame and uncomfortable emotion going on in the body? Do you feel like you deserve it? Since it can't be taken back, how long should one hold on to feeling guilty or shamed before being able to drop it? What if someone says you can't and should feel ashamed to you die? Should you believe them and live that way for the rest of your life or accept that its been done, perhaps it could of not been avoided and do ones best to not do it again... Is this something you had full control in doing? Or did you have certain feelings, wants and desires that you inherited from your society and environment which had a role in you making the choices you did? And if so, are you to blame? Are you starting to see that all these questions come down to You answering and deciding whats right or wrong according to you? If so, are you okay to embrace this and live how you want to? Dropping the shame to the best degree you can or accepting whats been done and moving forward?

This won't unite the two (and perhaps they can't be nor need to be), but perhaps get you thinking more. What would it mean to be 100% in control? And how would you know your meeting this criteria? And would this definition given, match everyone asked this question? And if not, what does that mean about the idea "100% in control".

What a sweet soul. I'll have to watch more of him.

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@VeganAwake So you were military at one point, thats pretty cool? Ya I was just wondering when I asked before, because some people just like quote a lot of stuff as though they are arguing for what the scripture says. And I agree, cup empty is super important...... even when you understand and discover whats happening.

@VeganAwake Are you sighting scripture or is this something you've come to understand? And what cares so much about nothing that it continues to argue and prove something, which you say isn't knowable by someone?

Cool. Something I'm still learning and seeing is that coming back to gratefulness day to day is its own spiritual practice and really can rewire this tendency to look at life from what is not right or even what can still improve. At least for me, I was such in a cycle of whats not right or should be another way or could be better, and this was always a separation from being grateful and enjoying just whats happening.

Sounds like your doing fine through exploring. There is no right way to do it and something that Leo has pointed to is you never know if the person you are taking advice knows what they are talking about, you just have to explore and find out. Life isn't something where there are a lot of guarantee's, and this can scare a lot of people, it doesn't really mean its unsafe, it just means anything can happen

You sound like me at one point, and in retrospection its kinda funny. Its like man I got a great life, house mansion, money, girls, sex, but its just as good as I had it before, and this "can" be a trap if you keep mulling on it, rather then letting the mind go and just "being" so to say. I spent probably 10-15 years unconsciously not happy because my normal state just wasn't good enough in comparison to those high as fuck magnificent states your talking about here. There was a slight attitude or seeking you might call it that just couldn't be happy with the overall improvement or just the normal every day rawness of every day life moment to moment, and instead was always comparing to how it was not as good as those other great heights I've had before. Just something to be mindful of or inquire about and not get stuck in......

@VeganAwake And again to reiterate, this isnt a your wrong, he's right thing, again what your sharing is 100% true and in my opinion is not a aspect that a lot of people on this forum get, even though they claim they do, and in the same way, there is aspects that are 100% that you haven't seen either, and me to. This doesn't mean anything honestly, theres no such thing called awakened or enlightened, these are just terms created out of "..." that appear to make for an experience that there's levels and at one level awakening happens and before that it doesn't. And no its not illusion either.....

Hmm I'm not sure I'd phrase my definition that way. There really isn't a definition that fits honestly, just metaphors or pointers. But if thats how you see what I'm saying, perhaps this language would help, its not a "something" that is conscious of whats Happening. Its closer to a Happening or a Now with a property of experience that entails awareness of stuff seeming to happen, but this experience and stuff is made of itself creating, like a feeling of being in a room, or a quality of experience humans could relate to as water, or qualities and variances of space or time, but none of it has inherent nature of its own accord again, since its all One happening. And that One happening/no-self happening can recognize this and use the words "oh this is me, its all me, or not say it in that way and say it in a equally true way like your saying, that it doesn't happen to anyone, because its not a someone or a something". And just to clarify it doesn't mean either of the two examples above came from a choice, but are what happens as this mystery does.....and always has.

No one left and One are the same thing, perhaps this is a symantics difference or a aspect not understood..... Is there a chance both of your labels for what Awakening is are not broad enough?

And theres a recognition that its happening as YOU, and a recognition of YOU=Love=Only that and more...... lol. Its all good man, nothings ever missed or out of place, theres no higher or lower understandings or people that aren't understanding. people not understanding = "...." exactly as that expression.

I get what your saying, I'm pretty sure I understand the power of an illusion. But I'm talking to you with where your at, not with someone who is so called oblivious to what you call is a body mind believing an illusion that separates them from realizing the backpack has always been full. Sure this could be said and/or points to a concept/experience that could be put into those words, but just like there is that concept of a backpack always been full, there's a realizing what the "whole person/backpack/always full" IS in degree's of depth you could say. And understanding those degrees of depth can happen in words, metaphors, direct knowing awaking, conversations like this. There's degrees of seeing you can't fully understand anything, and yet you still understand..... there's just happening lessons and understandings that happen to No-One, there's being a process of feeling like a particular Someone that knows its not more then a expression of ".......", but enjoys and embarrasses just being human simply.... There's all sorts of lessons/experiences understandings that unfold as this mysterious "....." perhaps the easiest way to say it is "....."=YOU/ME/NOTHING/EVERYTHING/INFINITY and its not a seperate ego/identity thing claiming something, its "....." what happens as "......."