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You make some great points and having had these same realizations in myself, and seeing them in others I've worked with or talked to, has changed radically changed the way in which I talk about this stuff. The only point I'd be careful with is the notion of shallow, since it can put a value judgement on Life/Absolute that isn't so.

Lets try to be a little more kind in our responses.

@ivankiss Ya I've done the same thing as well.

I think I get what your trying to say and its got Truth to it, but there's more or other that can be said, not higher not lower, just more ways to expressing "IS". Also a danger with what your saying is it creates an idea of a process or path or steps that must be met to Reality or that someone is incomplete still before this "Enlightenment" Your saying that some word "enlightenment" (which isn't anything but IS) only happens when something called FULL light happens is only true in the sense that everything is true because there is only IS, not because IS only happens when FULL light is reached. What I'm talking about has been said in many different ways, some of which I think your familiar with is the expression; form is emptiness and emptiness is form. Not two, is another, some even go as far to say and I understand why, in saying Not two, Not one, and Not nothing. I may have to elaborate. One God experience so to say is, living a human life with the unquestioned tangible experience that they a separate individual on a real place called material earth. Then somehow they get a tiny taste out of that leading eventually to a giant shift into formless awakening. They could live eons with this new experience so to say, and then one day have another awakening, that the formless was not whats Absolute and that Form and Formless where both or make up the Absolute. Eons go by and they eventually see that Form and Formless aren't two "somethings" that when you add together you form the whole, but that the Whole always IS and the Form and Formless are just words and experiences or expressions of Reality/IS/Whole. Sure sometimes you have to meet particulars on where they are at so to say to help, and perhaps that was your intention, but as a general statement I feel like this may only continue some idea of a duality of there's light and theres not light, or theres real and not real, or theres enlightenment, and then theres being wrong because you don't see whats real.

There is no one right answer to the question. There's infinite ways in which time is felt during awakening "moments", ranging from the experience of the the non-passing of anything to, radically slower then what the minds use to, to super fast with cascading insights like a life flashing before someones eyes.

Where to start. There's the "doing" approach and the "not doing" approach. To make it simple, I'll try and give a brief overview of the "doing" approach. Trauma "can" take a long time to heal, and its better to understand this instead of thinking it will be quick and easy, which for some its easier and often the first hurdle of looking into the dark basement which is the scariest part. This doesn't mean it shouldn't be attempted because it sounds like long term work, which it can feel like at times, sometimes right out of the gate which is why some people never attempt, the fear is to overwhelming or anger to strong. However if you go in with the attitude its not going to kill me, it just may suck at first, and at various times during the process, there's LOTS of rewards so to say. For starters it can feel great to overcome something, even if only in degree's at first, because in those degree's you may start to feel better, or less overwhelmed in life situations that would of made you clam up, run away, rage in anger, abuse drugs or alchohol with, hold a job that you never could, forgive someone or something that hurt you and find love or well being replaced. Just doing this with one issue you may find yourself inspired or REALLY inspired and feel like you can overcome anything. This may lead to another thing your willing to try and overcome, which again can fuel the degree of effectiveness you have in overcoming trauma's and limitations in general. Its possible to eventually reach levels of fearlessness you never thought possible and be able to so to say do anything you dream of in which your the only limitation. Now there is a "not doing" path as well, but I'd say go with the above until you feel a sense of stability or confidence in yourself.

@Gesundheit I’m not arguing for a definition of god being Love. I’ve said a few times it’s just a word and to encourage others to look into their own beliefs on what Love is to them. Because it’s a triggery word and not a great one sometimes I’ve also encouraged looking into ones frustration with the fact that suffering happens and the frustration one may have towards God or life because suffering happens to them. Look over what I’ve said investigate maybe learn something, or maybe put the effort in and learn nothing, there’s no guarantees in effort and learning. Thats what this forum is about or is trying to be.

Ya its helped me a lot. I use to listen to it a few times a week. I found chillstep mixes with 432hz great, or Alan Watts chillstep remixes with 432 great. This was one of my favorite. Theres others, like this.

Ok, and its not perfect objectively? Or to you?

Ya I agree, theres suffering, now what? And what does it mean that theres suffering?

Awesome keep going. ?

Ok lets say you some how prove there's suffering. Does it exist in all perspectives? Or only in some, and does this matter. Ok lets say it does. Now what? How much is there? 80% pleasant 20% suffering or discomfort? 50/50, 60% suffering/ 40% pleasant? Lets say its 60% suffering and 40% pleasant. What does that mean? Lifes almost a net positive? And to who? To everyone? What does it matter? Who is it mattering to? What if I'm really happy with those percentages and happy overall because of it. Am I out of alignment with the mathematical percentages of Truth? Or should I feel 10% sufferingish on a daily basis overall because thats the mathematical Truth difference of what life is on average. See what I'm vaguely pointing to? I don't know you that much, but the impression I'm getting is that you may take suffering very personally and that you may also suffer more then you need to because suffering is something that happens sometimes out there to supposedly other things and this bothers you. This is something that has been a very hard one for me as well, and it took years for me to finally get to a place where it was ok to understand life involves suffering sometimes and it doesnt make life or god or living a horrible event.

Well in truth there are no accurate words. But there is a generally a direction we can most the time follow when someone says something, and yes sometimes not. We can then go deeper into clarification and hopefully get closer, but theres an element of never really knowing for sure though and thats its own lesson. You ever try and accurately describe what your seeing, or feeling or smelling, or tasting? Do the words ever really get close to the experience? But ya love, hmmm..... What is love to you?

Ya the love word trips a lot of people up since everyone has their own belief of what it means. Some have romantic expectations with love, some have the belief they should get anything they want, others feel like there should be no uncomfortability in a loving relationship.

Ok lets say you some how prove there's suffering. Does it exist in all perspectives? Or only in some, and does this matter. Ok lets say it does. Now what? How much is there? 80% pleasant 20% suffering or discomfort? 50/50, 60% suffering/ 40% pleasant? Lets say its 60% suffering and 40% pleasant. What does that mean? Lifes almost a net positive? And to who? To everyone? What does it matter? Who is it mattering to? What if I'm really happy with those percentages and happy overall because of it. Am I out of alignment with the mathematical percentages of Truth? Or should I feel 10% sufferingish on a daily basis overall because thats the mathematical Truth difference of what life is on average. See what I'm vaguely pointing to? I don't know you that much, but the impression I'm getting is that you may take suffering very personally and that you may also suffer more then you need to because suffering is something that happens sometimes out there to supposedly other things and this bothers you. This is something that has been a very hard one for me as well, and it took years for me to finally get to a place where it was ok to understand life involves suffering sometimes and it doesnt make life or god or living a horrible event.

I'm not sure you realized, but you made a thread a few weeks ago in which people responded, but you didnt say anything in response. Maybe go back and see the help that was offered.

Sounds like the right track, the more you do it, the easier it gets and often leads to a deeper understanding a better solutions so to say.

@Hansu Ya sounds like a lack of self love. Learn to drop shaming and regretting yourself. Its less obvious that your doing then say, self hating and blaming but saying stuff like, man I'm stupid for doing this, or I can't believe I did this, or Im ashamed for doing this and feeling sorry for yourself after, is something you can drop when you catch yourself doing it. This is the equivalent to dropping the stick in which you beat yourself with and is a form of self love.

@seeking_brilliance Thats pretty cool man.

Ok try on this VR helmet for a moment. Same exact everything happens to each of these women A women gives birth through a an hour process involving suffering and love. Was it one or the other? Or both? One mind may summarize it as an amazing experience perhaps the best moment of their life. Another mind may see it more quantitatively and say it was 10 mins of agonizing suffering and 50 mins of unbelievable joy, so overall a net benefit making it objectively a good experience. Another may say it was an awe full experience as a whole and would never do it again. A zen mind may say they were one and the same unbroken and you can’t separate the two because they are intertwined as an event Notions of is it this or is it that aren’t so easy to nail down. And this includes the subjective notion you want to claim as a reason why something called enlightenment or Love doesn’t exist. Empty your cup, maybe you’ll find out.

@RedLine also another valuable thing to consider is that despite each perspective having its own view , suffering/love, doesn’t necessarily mean anything about Reality or a possible Creator. Lots of people get bent out of shape and feel horrible about life because suffering exists or even worse that because suffering exists it means that Reality or a Creator is flawed, twisted or evil. These are just idea’s with no real basis other then logic that make sense to them. Again this is not arguing for or proving the good of or existence of Reality, just pointing to assumptions that are held as Truths and cause degrees of suffering. I’m sure you’ve heard this before but there’s pain and then there’s fear, tightening, dreading, anger, frustration and all sorts of added reactions to pain or the possibility of pain happening again and/or again every time that familiar habit you or I have that always seems to cause pain or discomfort. For a lot its the dreaded work day and the all sorts of suffering people have about it. But it’s often not work itself but the ideas around work or a particular boss or person or emotions that come up at work or how work takes you away from what you prefer. More for others it’s a trauma around something and every time that particular thing occurs the pain in relationship to the trauma happens and the person things it’s the thing itself and not the trauma they had anbout the thing. I’m rambling now, but I hope your seeing the direction I’m pointing towards

Hahaha do we? Its not negative. Nor is it neutral.

Neither.

@RedLine sometimes the word Love is not a good word to use for explaining ‘what is’. By the sound of your post and tension you sound a lot like me at one point. And the word Love caused to much contention in my mind with trying to connect all the dots of all the information that’s out there on the subject of Truth. Human experience of Love or good very often brings up images that are Emotional or actions of a certain type toward ‘another’ that don’t cause pain or suffering and for others it’s associated with romantic gestures or kindness and giving something to the poor or ‘another The Love (and any word could be used instead since it’s just a word) awakening is pointing to is something that encompasses those types and is more than. It doesn’t leave out the ‘subjective’ points of view and experience of love or suffering. It it sounds like atm you may be hooked on the notion of subjective which very often hinges on the unquestioned assumption of that there are actual or inherent individuals to begin with having experiences. Is there room inside you that leaves open the possibility that this may not be the case? if you dont know, it’s just as good, assume nothing, letting go of subjective or objective or individuals or collective or All is god as an additional layer put on top ‘.......’ or the mystery of what’s happening now simultaneously everywhere. Just be in the Truth of really not knowing nor questioning into unsubstantiated notions of ‘anything’. Or if you want to keep questioning, do that. Cheers.

Awakening is a very interesting thing and one could say its in its infancy in terms of how its understood, quantified and expressed here on earth. On the one hand it can easily be wrapped up into as simple as a word or phrase as "One", or "All is One" or "All is God". There's no duality or material so to say in this expression and understanding. And while its true, lots of interesting nuance and subtly is often lost in the expression of and experience of/as "God" in this way. Your questions Are simultaneously God, and bring up the Infinite nuanced depth of mechanics and working of systems (which again are simultaneously and always God) that so to say influence and hold together structures of reality. These structures often have what one could call rules, like gravity, but like all sandboxs where things are made or sprout up from nothingness, the rules can and do change as well (and yes they may hold together for what one could call 15 billion more years). You ask about entities which is something I have some familiarity with, and there are entities that you could say from the nuanced level we are cells in the body of, just like we have cells/life forms in/as us that make up our body so to say. These entities have agency so to say, just like we appear to have and feel agency (even if ultimately it is ALL God simultaneously). You could say "Its all one and simultaneously its infinitely nuanced and changing", but still this wouldn't fill out the whole picture or exactly express what's happening. Edit: Oh and to answer your question about being able to heal anything or do anything through "Will". It's neither unattainable nor a prerequisite to waking up to God/What you are.