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Well, if its not Happening or Now, then what is taking place? Its obvious "something", otherwise there wouldn't be anything to understand or ask such questions about.

Same thing thats happening now.

Truely waking up to awareness/god, is what is generally called enlightenment. Its not "someone" walking up to awareness, its awaking to what is, being awareness aware of itself (not a believed someone, learning to call itself awareness). It may at first feel like being a someone focusing on something other, or becoming aware of something other, but then some how you trip through the gateless gate and it realize that was never really true, lol. You could say the saying "you are that which is aware" is the construct of the mind/language/symbol which is pointing to an actual fact, but isn't the fact itself.

@VerballyHazardous why doubt that you couldn't overcome this?

@VerballyHazardous people have it rough real rough, you watch the video I sent you? Sometimes it can put ones own suffering into perspective.

@Kamran For some people weed and edibles trigger deep paranoia, they did for me as well. I'd just not do them if I were you, lol.

@VerballyHazardous I've felt the way you have at one point, so I know how you feel. I wish I could give you a solution, but sometimes you just have to seek help. Maybe look into speaking with a psychologist of some sort so you can look at some of your underlying idea's and pains. One thing that helped me was to hear other peoples troubles and experiences and how they managed and hopefully find some guidance and strength from their example. Also, taking your pain out on your animals isn't going to help and will only cause them to suffer and resent you eventually. Check out this mans story...

@SonataAllegro The problem with sharing these types of states with Therapists is since there's not a lot of info on spiritual awakening experiences they can be misdiagnosed as disorders and people can wrongly be put on meds and stop the process of waking up. To me it sounds find what your experiencing so far.

Hey man, its great that your open to this and willing to explore beyond what it is your familiar with. I will say that its worth it, even if its not easy. It may feel scary because your going to feel things that may challenge idea's you have about how your supposed to feel or want to feel or if you feel may mean your not as enlightened or free as you want to feel or believe you should be. Go into this with no need to be a example of enlightened or have all your shit together or figured out. I feel like this will make it much easier, I know if I hold onto any such notions it limits and stumps all possible growth or ability to find out something new. Life's infinitely explorable even in so called enlightenment, its not the end of feeling, exploring, understanding, being right, being wrong,

Lol, can't wait for nothing to happen.

I believe Leo commented on this material in a thread in the past and how there are many similarities.

And thats a fine place to be.

Your doing great! Keep with it then. Ya what Nahm said is a eye opener Just a small thing but is it your ego projecting for you? Ya sure its not just another thought form arising and being labeled by You as ego?

Yes! Sometimes the process and attitude of "figuring out" is the same as keeping the belief system alive, like a magnifier glass. To drop the magnifier glass is to drop the belief system happening. Sure some of the familiar thoughts and feelings may come up, but by not figuring them out, giving them additional meaning and story and energy in "the figuring out", the energy becomes less so in experience and there for less concerning and relevant to you. Its "kinda" like this. Next time you feel angry or unpleasant, instantly focus on something pleasant in your experience or think about something that makes you laugh or fill up with warmth and just keep focusing it there. Notice how naturally the anger of unpleasant fades, even if just by a little (this can grow with practice of doing this with uncomfortableness. Also just to note in case your thinking this is avoiding, this is not avoiding the sensation or the discomfort either, its just applying attention elsewhere, to avoid would be to deny it being there or having been there or pushing it away and fighting about it being there.) This can be a radical lesson and can open up a whole new way of being. Now it may be better to practice the above for a while before you get my original paragraph or it may be all you need to give you tools to work through your dilemma. They are almost the same, but a little different, if you understand the nature of putting attention on something or not and how it effects you, then it may become obvious that your attention is on this issue you have in more ways then you realize and "the figuring out" is a form of focusing and keeping something going and that you can drop doing so. But again, this practice of focus changing can be a stepping stone to being able to not needing to figure, feel free to message me in the future when you've practiced the above and want to learn more.

Hmmm. I hear ya and nothing wrong with that. Not sure if this will help you yet, but I’ll put it out there. If no solution has worked for this issue as of yet, perhaps the “solution” isn’t in the realm of figuring it out.

Do you think that by figuring out what is wrong with you it will go away? Like a solution to a puzzle? Most changes in my life never worked this way. What if this wasn't the case, how would you approach your situation then?

This often happens in spiritual teachings. Words don't always mean the same thing when used by each teacher. Being aware of "that" which is aware of experience is the same as directly grasping what something IS.

Why trust and take the "not trusting your experience" route?

I think a big part of growth and waking up is the simple desire to either care and reflect or care and act. Just allowing yourself to pause and listen, question and be open. Tom has become one of my favorite music artists. While I don't agree with all that Tom represents he does a great job of getting you to think about idea's you may have (particularly the age group of this forum). Hes pointing to what I'd call the American collective Ego, and that means you probably listening, challenging industries, race idea's, victim culture, blind following someone or some idea. He often takes both sides of a issue and speaks from their perspective giving their point of view in his lyrics. He's not enlightened but a great deal of valuable lessons don't come from enlightened people either. He's a interesting artist in our times that I think has a important message which if your desire is to self reflect and understand and hear both sides of issues generally only being voiced by people who only believe their side is right, he's worth listening to if you like music and rap, and particularly if your 11-45. Warning, he may offend or bring you judgments and stereotypes to the surface.

I get it, same thing happened to me. But I can tell you that God is not anything different then the middle ground I pointed you to. Perhaps one day you'll laugh and chill out and perhaps not, if you feel more interested in a full one 100% effort to be what you already are, or don't feel like its settled in so to say, then by all means.

It may be, but in scientific terms its still in the air and a lot of research needs to be done, there for pseudoscience for now. All I'm saying is this is a strange forum and pursuit for a person like you, who only wants strict scientific proof before they are open to trying or listening to advice. Perhaps Sam Harris would be someone for you to listen to.

I think your exaggerating and more concerned then you need to be about enlightenment. You can't make it happen, its not something you can imagine, so don't get to insane about it. Do a little of both, even though they really aren't separate. Learn some skills/survival stuff that you atleast enjoy to some degree or believe in and do some yoga, meditation and self inquiry, shadow work or what ever feels useful. Enjoy the outside world sometimes, see a movie or two, watch a show, enjoy some sex, be kind, volunteer here and there, give and advice sharing your own experience when asked. Just relax man, sounds like you got the discipline stuff down, now enjoy yourself and don't make others support you and maybe eventually let go of needing to figure things out and let your natural expression come through.

Just curious, how is chemical-induced mysticism not pseudoscience?

These might be inspirational and within what your looking for. This one is not so much mental illness, although he may have had one due to being raped and beaten as a kid and put in prison falsely for 20 years, hes an incredible inspiration that should put any of your life issue in perspective. If I find more I'll post them. But depression and anxiety disorders run in my family and I definitely have felt this in myself to various and life effecting degree's for years. I've been able to overcome a great degree of this.

Umm, most if not all of the spiritual traditions and practices fall under pseudoscience.