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@Someone here whats a relative perspective? Really where do you find a non dual and a relative perspective? Did you capture the two in a jar? Are they different?

Good that was the intent. Did it lead to anything new, because it’s a very serious question, one I think your looking for ultimately.

@arlin afraid of getting lost in ‘what’? you lost? You found? Do you know enough to even be worried what could go wrong or right? sounds like you have a saying in a bible your afraid to break, rather then knowing if it’s even true to begin with. Youve been indoctrinated in a nondual ritual in which you believe the rules of the game are not to get stuck in illusion, to not be in separation, not to be in a dream, without even knowing what that means or if it has any connection to actuality. No different than if I told you the number one rule is to avoid space otherwise you will be living life wrong, and you going around thinking this and that about space and how to get away from it or not get stuck in it and feeling anxious it since seems to be everywhere, when in reality what I said wasn’t true to begin with.

I don’t think your a devil but I think you perhaps have made some conclusions to early about life that have been done in frustration around enlightenment and what’s possible. I’m giving you a push in that direction. live in the absolute recognition you don’t know rather then having some beliefs of why and what is possible, then it may become apparent what you didn’t notice.

@arlin you’ve gotten a lot of good answers however if you feel like it’s what actually is, then stand by it. Or do you not actually know? Stand by what is most true for you even if it means you have no idea. Which honestly is a great place to be. It may not be easy because your then left with being alone with yourself while others are saying otherwise about the world and it’s affairs, but this is where a wise man becomes.

These are some interesting conclusions but surely not “conclusive”, not coming from a man of your standards and broad reasonable analysis, no? unless of course you assume your conclusions are more valid than those you’ve said aren’t? but that would be very double standard and hypocritical and a man of your standard is not ? what would happen if you actually didn’t know either way, and lived from that blank slate.

What is what from what perspective?

@soos_mite_ah Yah I totally get where your coming from, for years I agonized over this thought and feelings around it. In the end, I feel you really can't say what road would of lead to what road, since ultimately you are the road and on the road so to say. I say no need for regrets and what ifs, you are here now and who knows it could be so much worse, and perhaps even much more worse if you had taken another road

@Eren Eeager Man all these posts and 1 recommendation? Geez. Check out Tony Robbins, he's more highly motivational and gots lots of depth in him, and does really care for helping people out of suffering. This documentary changed a lot of judgements I had on him. https://core.tonyrobbins.com/documentary/

@Stephen I mean if it’s something you enjoy why not do it. Why wait for the universe to tell you it’s ok? I get what you mean the universe is one and it’s all of us fundamentally, but that realization is not saying you can’t enjoy doing good as you see it. You could spend the rest of your life in your head thinking about the realization and if it means you should do this or do that or not this or not that or you can just go live now and do you so to say. And if that falls into some universal defined way, then so be it, how could it be otherwise? You think you could act in a way the universe didn’t intend or allow? That would be like saying the universe created a way that can’t happen yet does happen. Or that it created a way not to happen, that when it does happen it will displease it and it will then blame that which it created and allowed to act as its able to or not able to?

Well it may help to get to Absolute Consciouness before speculating about it. I had similar fears and they didn't turn out.

@molosku Ram Dass, hes my fav. And hes got a great sense of humor, or atleast I think so

@Shin Look what the cat dragged in.

oh my god, I never thought I'd hear you say these words, lol. Did my multiple paragraphs or others finally open something up in which you see the difference now?

See how he reacts to this. Isn't it true that he is understanding "there is nothing to understand" and based upon this understanding he's going about with this new belief system, way of thinking and way of life? Really doing "there is nothing to understand" so to say, is not even doing or understanding "there is nothing to understand", its not a Way in which someone figures out how to do it but a Way in which is unfolding already.

And what if one hasn't accomplished any of these "things?", or only some, what would be the problem with that?

@roopepa Thanks man, appreciate it.

@EntheogenTruthSeeker You sure you were not high and eating fried wantons, and a piece of one just fell on your leg? Sometimes we space out or do stupid stuff and think its a sign from god, lol.

Ya I've felt similar stuff under similar conditions. Its normal in my book, but if its not normal in yours, I'd imagined it would bring concern. Nothing to worry about if you ask me.

I like you and all but it seems to me you have a habit of making posts that are kinda like questions, but then they are also just about you having an idea that you want to stick to. I get what your saying why do you assume I don't?, but it doesn't seem like there is anything in you open to learning anything other then what you think is 100% true. If your not confused and your all good why the threads? Leave it at that, no need to ask any questions right?, and no need to teach anyone here. Again, my sense of you, is you discovered in your experience that the idea's that you thought you were, were not true, which is a great realization, and then you said this is no-self, which is as good as any word. You then made some conclusion about what this means and one of those ideas is its not possible to make a choice to change which you say was based on your observations of awareness. And these are good observations. Still all good, however its not the be all end all of "totality". What if no-self has a sort of conscious intention to it or an ability to go hey I'm in pain here and my beliefs that I'm aware of about my body seem to be connected to this pain, maybe this means something and perhaps in looking at this something can change (kinda like the observations you made when you looked and saw that a package of thoughts and beliefs wasn't you, but something other that was aware of them). Does this make sense? If not, and its not important, and your all good, and there's nothing you need or can learn, then leave the forum at peace and keep being. Again, come back to the forum when you feel like there's something missing, until then, it just seems like your convinced and "happy?" and not open to more, which again is fine.

You see the problem here. You claim that you focused awareness upon itself and realized no one is there and never was and that choice isn’t real, but yet you claim your not there. So what’s going on then.

What is no-self if there isn’t anyone or anything there to recognize anything or make a claim that there is no choice? Careful of what you believe, don’t believe and claim is absolute, it may seal your fate to suffering that could of been related to in other ways, hadn’t such rigid beliefs been let be.

@Someone here I’m pretty sure if I pulled a gun on you and said you make one more post and I’ll shoot you and your family, a miracle of a choice in you will arise and you’ll magically seem to make that choice to not do so. What does his mean, lol....... well it’s not as clear. I think what is important here is keeping this question with in the context of what you want because otherwise it gets to abstract. From past posts it seems like what you have begun to realize and want to be different is in relation to how it feels to be in a body and all the ideas tied to this pain/uncomfortable happening. A saying I like a lot is pain is a wonderful push or creator of new solutions and approaches. What this means for you is perhaps you haven’t suffered enough for a solution to arise, one of which I’ve asked you to be open to, that perhaps there is something that resembles choice which you’ve claimed is a illusion or not real. Something that if seen would allow you to go hey I’m done believing these ideas of the body and open to new ideas or no ideas about ‘the body’. Until then suffering will remain with you claiming I can’t do anything about it, which is just as much a lie that your holding as truth.

@Raptorsin7 Just take steps, now, doesnt matter what you feel or think. You won't want to do it, but you can still run, eat less shitty stuff and lift weights even when you don't feel like it or think you want to. Just do the action. If you wait for the feeling or thought to do it, or for that resistant voice to go away before you take action, you could be waiting the rest of your life, sometimes you just gotta act despite all those things.

Sorry bud, but you gotta stop feeling sorry for yourself and take some steps, hell do it while feeling sorry for yourself. Also from what I've gathered from friends who have degrees that dont hire a lot of people, is some companies will hire for jobs that people dont have a degree in as long as they have a degree of some sort, it just shows that you can learn. Just look at the qualifications of a job you may like or a field you want to get into, sometimes its just learning some extra skills +proving you've gone through a 4 year degree to land a job. But ya, work on yourself dude, I believe ya.