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Its a hard question answer exactly. I know the loop of questioning life this way very familiarly. It is a mystery at times what is what and it can be freeing to just let it be so. That said, sometimes its not always going to settle the mind, so one thing you can try or try and see from the perspective of is, just put your best foot forward in general, come from a good intention and then if something comes up in a situation due to someones reaction, if your able to go into together, maybe you'll find out more about eachother. However some people won't want to, you may find your own defensiveness come up and it will get muddled and hard to determine either way, so if that happens, thats that, next moment, carry on.

Sure, I agree that it may take some clawing, lots of it, but the message may just click for some or maybe open up a new way of thinking, or maybe not. Just putting it out there. When your down so to say, sometimes a kick in the pants from life gets you out, sometimes a kind word, sometimes a medication, sometimes a beer, sometimes a word of advice you didn't know you needed until it came your way. Just because you had your way of getting through a similar sounding situation, doesn't mean its the way for everyone, but its good you put your words out there, he's now got two experiences and messages to reflect on.

is a stage something objective or in your interpretation of such? If you dont know, then let that be the case and let it be, move on, let life come as it seems, perhaps it is perhaps not, just let it pass, laugh love, live.

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And?

Whats a man? Whats a waste? Do you see how this is just a belief your having? Give yourself some slack, dont rush to judgement, let be what is, even if you dont understand what that is. Just let things happen, get out of the way if you feel your in the way, its not literally as it seems, its more free then you could nail down. do you see the potential of that>? And speaking of which, loser? According to who? Do you realize that this word loser is not of any meaning, its literally a series of supposed words that any person or society would interpret and speak about in their own way. Its just blah blah blah, nothing, less or more then nothing, just ............. let go of that, feel the freedom from your own definitions and convictions that its this way.

Well, what are you afraid of? Have you looked into this? If so what did you find, if not, ask yourself and deeply want to find out with no reservation of what the answer is, even if you don't like it or it scares you. If you need, help put your answers here and i'll keep asking questions to help you proceed. Also ponder, that fear isn't going to kill you nor is anger or feelings of worthlessness and they are temporary. You may need to feel these types of things for a period of time when your looking into this issue. Cheers mate, love yourself.

Yes reality is so to say infinite, and sure you could imagine the possibility, but just because you can imagine it, doesn't mean it exists as a an "actual". You could spend the next moment past Now, worrying you will die a horrible death in any second and be stressed for the remainder of your life, but why would you want to?

So is your body thinking for you now, and having this conversation, or are you? if its your body, how would you know since its the body talking, like a programmed operation, how would you know anything you think you know if its just the body and brain in control? Did this body give a name to itself or accept the name other bodies decided to give it? Did the earth grow systems of ecosystems and biology and then grow humans who's bodies think they are bodies and have questions like your asking, "am I a body or prove to me that I'm not a body"?

One thing thats always curious and obvious once pointed out, which hopefully you can laugh with me with, is anything said is always "blah blah blah". Again don't take offense to this because its always true of what I say as well. For example "The Problem with Radical Open mindedness", Ok lets say I or someone broadly knows what you mean, whats to say it would have to include the questions "1 that you have no brain or any internal organs. Literally. After all have you ever seen them? 2 that you are the only conscious being in the entire universe and everyone else are just figments of your mind. 3 that Leo is an alien not a human. 4 that your mom got born out of a chicken.(that's an example from Leo's open-mindedness video lol). 5 that the world ceases to exist as soon you stop looking and gets rendered once again when you look again . Like a video game. 5that the flying spaghetti monster is real. He created this world. And he will punish you if you don't worship him in this life. 6 that the entire world that you can see through the media is not real. 7 that their might be a space Kangaroo standing behind you your entire life but you couldn't see him cuz he turns with you" And whats to say it has to include having to prove those things wrong in order to be free of them in some sort of way. Again none of the 1-7 mean anything to begin with except in your statement they do, and you could because of that, they don't need to be thought about or proved wrong or felt.... So good day and, blah blah blah to you sir.......

Well then keep doing that.

Its really not as scary as you make it out to be. But it is visceral, very visceral, but pain, tears and anger will all pass if they do happen to come up. What else is your passion if your not going to take a leap?

The now is overrated. What exactly are you doing to "escape". Perhaps its not as much as a problem as your making it out to be. Love man, just love. Give yourself some slack along, with others to mess up just the same.

Ram Dass for me is a rare example of mind+heart, plus he's a great story teller with a lot of honesty about his capacity as a teacher and shortcomings.

Ya good questions to ponder.

What parameters are you using to distinguish you and not you? Feelings, senses, beliefs, thoughts, measurement, where the body ends? For example what is the "you" that is not atoms, earth, star system, blood, bone, water.... a belief? And has this belief changed since you were 1 year old, 5 years old, 10 years, 15 years old, 20 years old, is that feeling of you the exact in all those time periods, and if not, what exactly is a you or the you if it morphs into something that feels different with age..... Maybe you don't know what "you"are and maybe you do, or atleast think you do....

Well ultimately it just comes down to humility and admiting, ya, I didn't know what I thought, or theres more to what I thought (this is most often the truth and the healthiest way to look at it, instead of I must be untrustworthy and all I know is shit then). Also in my experience, true change from insight doesn't disappear even if you realize you were not seeing as cleary as possible or there was more.

If you really want to find out don’t assume it comes from insecurity, go into with really not knowing what the reason. To often there are spiritual stereotypes that people adopt and rob themselves of actually finding out. Each person so to say is very different and while yes some groups wanting to be better comes from insecurity, not all. Find out be organic and apply what I’m pointing out in all yiu look into ?

That’s a whole lot of description about nothing, along with a whole lot of reasons for what may or may not have happened. Mirror mirror in the wall who’s the most awake of them all @VeganAwake of course. There ya have it. Ya, like wise, it’s been fun. I mean Fun not being here with ya I mean, did I say it right? ?

@VeganAwake @Nahm Let me know if this is in the realm of accurate. Do you find it at all maybe pointing to something that neither Nahm or I have called anyone including you as not awake, and you some how (perhaps because your the most enlightened one here) are like a politician or a crass soul making rather large claims of certainty about us? How is it not even more ironic, that you accuse us of things you admit don't even exist, such as others, or people or individuals, such as nahm and I. Is just happening, yelling and accusing, no one with any volition of anything? Oh, thats right, its not you doing it, just happening, and miraculously with opinions that are accurate to the truth? Just happening accurate opinions and truths coming from nowhere. Truths that no one knows, see's or can verify, because no ones there, just happening, but the ones exiting your body/mouth some how hold a validity, THAT AGAIN aren't happening from you or anyone and are somehow objectively true. Dude, lighten up maybe see some Truth in whats being shared. I dont know but have you come to a place that if you were to reflect and see that maybe you were wrong or didn't see everything accurately that it would shatter what you have learned up to this point? I know the fear, its like if your not enlightened then everything you've learned will have to be questioned and then maybe you can't trust what you've learned and understood and the well being found will disappear....

Is there any more of a reason to listen to a random non-green guy on the internet who gets drunk and does stupid shit from time to time, claiming no one knows and can never know and no ones there to begin, yet makes such claims of knowing something, but then defends no ones here doing that..... lol let that in for a moment, its kinda hilarious even if is true (who knows right), it would make a great comedy which only a few in the audience would be able to appreciate the humor of since almost of this stuff is very obscure to the general population. Anywas, love ya, but come on man, this is rather disrespectful just on a basic human to human level.

Yah and this would also include not knowing that you can know what you don’t think could ever be known.

@Dodo I’d say part of the mystery and awe of it is recognizing you don’t know and may never know. If you don’t recognize, there’s no awe or mystery, you just know what you think you know. Meh, who knows. Lol.

will consider Cheers.

ya I hear ya again, its actually nice talking in a different way to someone on this forum, and yes I'm using super broad words since I don't want to type a lot atm and I don't normally communicate in this fashion (you may of garnered such if you watched any of my videos), lol, but in your example of remote ancestors and if its "still happening now", well atoms were and are still happening and its intrinsic to the form or label "ancestor", dna, proteins, empty space which seems to be the most predominate commonality shared. All happened, still happening now or just have always eternally been present, amazing, fascinating, interesting, no. Thats in the ballpark of my point. so to "maybe" hail marry tie in the OPs question, "something" is happening as layers or non-layers or 1 layer. Even if we can't exactly nail down exactly what "something" is. Lol, anyways.