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Unfair according to what measurement? In your momentary opinion, in the opinion of those you learned from? Consider if this fundamental position actually isn't true, like if you looked at the dictionary of life and it didn't have this definition. What then, what would there be that would need to be accepted about life being unfair? Can you see how this idea, just may be an idea that you suffer around and struggle to deal with, when in fact there is no definition or truth that lines up with your belief about unfairness?

@Moksha You wanna hear a real mind fuck, there isn't even the exact knowing or event called "there is a now and things will change" going on, that to is just something that can't really be said exactly, but i guess could be labeled as a human way of shaping things imaginatively...

First of all I want to say good on you for the willingness to face a person you felt like hurt you and confront him. Sounds like you were in a lot of pain and confusion over this and wanted an apology. To be honest the one you got is more then you'll get in life sometimes. That said, he may be telling the truth from his point of view. He and the guys may of just been joking around and may of done similar things to one another but no one felt as hurt about the type of joking and shit as you were. This doesn't mean its your problem and you shouldn't of felt that way, it just lets you know what kind of things you do and dont like and in the future you can speak up for yourself sooner and leave a situation more clean sooner because you know who you are and what you find enjoyable and funny. This is a part of growing up. My advice is to just accept the guys truth as he said it, not to blame him and expect him to see it exactly how you saw it and for him to apologize in the way you feel is needed for you to move on. If you wait for other people to act the way you want before your willing to feel ok with things, you'll be in a lot of discomfort you don't have to. You can let go of your pain and angry and blame when you want, you dont have to wait for someone else to give you permission (it may not be easy, and yes sometimes it helps for someone to hear, apologize and understand you, but this is not going to happen all the time and you either learn to let go or hold onto your pain)

You got my vote. While I haven't spoken to him in over a year, he seemed like a decent guy with a good heart.

Thats fair. Think about these as well. You say you feel like you are your body, and its your body that is thinking. now if you look with a microscope into your body, you'll discover empty space and electrons and protons and all sorts of energies, and microbes. If you are your body, then you must be more primarily electrons, protons, water, microbes, all the material and energetic make make up right? And your those, your also the source of those, which includes the earth, tree's clouds, animals eaten, the solar system and the big bang that started it (since those are all the creating mechanisms of that which makes up "body". Again Body would not exist without those, of which body is just material produced from other sources.

Its a hard question answer exactly. I know the loop of questioning life this way very familiarly. It is a mystery at times what is what and it can be freeing to just let it be so. That said, sometimes its not always going to settle the mind, so one thing you can try or try and see from the perspective of is, just put your best foot forward in general, come from a good intention and then if something comes up in a situation due to someones reaction, if your able to go into together, maybe you'll find out more about eachother. However some people won't want to, you may find your own defensiveness come up and it will get muddled and hard to determine either way, so if that happens, thats that, next moment, carry on.

Sure, I agree that it may take some clawing, lots of it, but the message may just click for some or maybe open up a new way of thinking, or maybe not. Just putting it out there. When your down so to say, sometimes a kick in the pants from life gets you out, sometimes a kind word, sometimes a medication, sometimes a beer, sometimes a word of advice you didn't know you needed until it came your way. Just because you had your way of getting through a similar sounding situation, doesn't mean its the way for everyone, but its good you put your words out there, he's now got two experiences and messages to reflect on.

is a stage something objective or in your interpretation of such? If you dont know, then let that be the case and let it be, move on, let life come as it seems, perhaps it is perhaps not, just let it pass, laugh love, live.

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Whats a man? Whats a waste? Do you see how this is just a belief your having? Give yourself some slack, dont rush to judgement, let be what is, even if you dont understand what that is. Just let things happen, get out of the way if you feel your in the way, its not literally as it seems, its more free then you could nail down. do you see the potential of that>? And speaking of which, loser? According to who? Do you realize that this word loser is not of any meaning, its literally a series of supposed words that any person or society would interpret and speak about in their own way. Its just blah blah blah, nothing, less or more then nothing, just ............. let go of that, feel the freedom from your own definitions and convictions that its this way.

Well, what are you afraid of? Have you looked into this? If so what did you find, if not, ask yourself and deeply want to find out with no reservation of what the answer is, even if you don't like it or it scares you. If you need, help put your answers here and i'll keep asking questions to help you proceed. Also ponder, that fear isn't going to kill you nor is anger or feelings of worthlessness and they are temporary. You may need to feel these types of things for a period of time when your looking into this issue. Cheers mate, love yourself.

Yes reality is so to say infinite, and sure you could imagine the possibility, but just because you can imagine it, doesn't mean it exists as a an "actual". You could spend the next moment past Now, worrying you will die a horrible death in any second and be stressed for the remainder of your life, but why would you want to?

So is your body thinking for you now, and having this conversation, or are you? if its your body, how would you know since its the body talking, like a programmed operation, how would you know anything you think you know if its just the body and brain in control? Did this body give a name to itself or accept the name other bodies decided to give it? Did the earth grow systems of ecosystems and biology and then grow humans who's bodies think they are bodies and have questions like your asking, "am I a body or prove to me that I'm not a body"?

One thing thats always curious and obvious once pointed out, which hopefully you can laugh with me with, is anything said is always "blah blah blah". Again don't take offense to this because its always true of what I say as well. For example "The Problem with Radical Open mindedness", Ok lets say I or someone broadly knows what you mean, whats to say it would have to include the questions "1 that you have no brain or any internal organs. Literally. After all have you ever seen them? 2 that you are the only conscious being in the entire universe and everyone else are just figments of your mind. 3 that Leo is an alien not a human. 4 that your mom got born out of a chicken.(that's an example from Leo's open-mindedness video lol). 5 that the world ceases to exist as soon you stop looking and gets rendered once again when you look again . Like a video game. 5that the flying spaghetti monster is real. He created this world. And he will punish you if you don't worship him in this life. 6 that the entire world that you can see through the media is not real. 7 that their might be a space Kangaroo standing behind you your entire life but you couldn't see him cuz he turns with you" And whats to say it has to include having to prove those things wrong in order to be free of them in some sort of way. Again none of the 1-7 mean anything to begin with except in your statement they do, and you could because of that, they don't need to be thought about or proved wrong or felt.... So good day and, blah blah blah to you sir.......

Well then keep doing that.

Its really not as scary as you make it out to be. But it is visceral, very visceral, but pain, tears and anger will all pass if they do happen to come up. What else is your passion if your not going to take a leap?

The now is overrated. What exactly are you doing to "escape". Perhaps its not as much as a problem as your making it out to be. Love man, just love. Give yourself some slack along, with others to mess up just the same.

Ram Dass for me is a rare example of mind+heart, plus he's a great story teller with a lot of honesty about his capacity as a teacher and shortcomings.

Ya good questions to ponder.

What parameters are you using to distinguish you and not you? Feelings, senses, beliefs, thoughts, measurement, where the body ends? For example what is the "you" that is not atoms, earth, star system, blood, bone, water.... a belief? And has this belief changed since you were 1 year old, 5 years old, 10 years, 15 years old, 20 years old, is that feeling of you the exact in all those time periods, and if not, what exactly is a you or the you if it morphs into something that feels different with age..... Maybe you don't know what "you"are and maybe you do, or atleast think you do....

Well ultimately it just comes down to humility and admiting, ya, I didn't know what I thought, or theres more to what I thought (this is most often the truth and the healthiest way to look at it, instead of I must be untrustworthy and all I know is shit then). Also in my experience, true change from insight doesn't disappear even if you realize you were not seeing as cleary as possible or there was more.

If you really want to find out don’t assume it comes from insecurity, go into with really not knowing what the reason. To often there are spiritual stereotypes that people adopt and rob themselves of actually finding out. Each person so to say is very different and while yes some groups wanting to be better comes from insecurity, not all. Find out be organic and apply what I’m pointing out in all yiu look into ?

That’s a whole lot of description about nothing, along with a whole lot of reasons for what may or may not have happened. Mirror mirror in the wall who’s the most awake of them all @VeganAwake of course. There ya have it. Ya, like wise, it’s been fun. I mean Fun not being here with ya I mean, did I say it right? ?

@VeganAwake @Nahm Let me know if this is in the realm of accurate. Do you find it at all maybe pointing to something that neither Nahm or I have called anyone including you as not awake, and you some how (perhaps because your the most enlightened one here) are like a politician or a crass soul making rather large claims of certainty about us? How is it not even more ironic, that you accuse us of things you admit don't even exist, such as others, or people or individuals, such as nahm and I. Is just happening, yelling and accusing, no one with any volition of anything? Oh, thats right, its not you doing it, just happening, and miraculously with opinions that are accurate to the truth? Just happening accurate opinions and truths coming from nowhere. Truths that no one knows, see's or can verify, because no ones there, just happening, but the ones exiting your body/mouth some how hold a validity, THAT AGAIN aren't happening from you or anyone and are somehow objectively true. Dude, lighten up maybe see some Truth in whats being shared. I dont know but have you come to a place that if you were to reflect and see that maybe you were wrong or didn't see everything accurately that it would shatter what you have learned up to this point? I know the fear, its like if your not enlightened then everything you've learned will have to be questioned and then maybe you can't trust what you've learned and understood and the well being found will disappear....