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@Someone here No your making the uncertain, certain in this case. you want to face your what if, uncertain possibility, with yes this is certain so let me face and deal with as such. To come to accept and be unafraid possibly by the you may die or may feel pain in future moments. Sure maybe it is to much and intense to do this method, and its not a easy one, may take time. But sometimes solutions dont happen at once.

Lightening strikes people sometimes. Its not personal, it just happens. I'm not conveying hopelessness, I'm hoping to convey surrender or calm acceptance of suchness as it appears now. It doesn't mean accepting permanent, nor changing, but ease with what ever may be. Perhaps in time or in the suggestion to intend help from something, something will arise and shift whats taking place mentally. If you don't resonate with this, forget it ever happened and move on. Cheers.

This may be a unavoidable dark night of the soul kinda event. For some time try and Let it happen, dont worry, or search for cause, reason or outcome. Maybe close your eyes when you've got some quiet time and just ask inside or outside into the universe through intention, that you need some help or guidance with this. Sometimes something will answer and help. Just accept to the best of your ability, that these may be challenging times (but also open enough to the possibility that it may all disappear at any momement, like it never happened, like it was before this all happened). Also dont judge yourself or the event, acknowledge your in pain and suffering, try and keep a calm stableness if you can. Suffer elegantly, suffer without victimization, suffer calmly and understandingly that this is a part of life, and its not personal. Also is this the first time you've dealt with something like this. How was your mental health before?

Something that helped me at one point was to try and accept the thoughts and feelings fully, as opposed to try and tell yourself they aren't true, won't happen as the thoughts feel or say so, or push or shift away from them. For example really let in "what if something bad happened to me", ya, it may happen, and if it does, so what, maybe you die, maybe you feel pain, but this is normal and natural in the possibility of all things. Just look around, its not like it wouldn't be the first time, something painful happens in the world. Then maybe you'lll feel like, I don't want this to happen, I don't like this. Sure, accept this. maybe your mad about it. Ok, sure, accept this. But eventually you may see that, its okay to feel this way, but you won't want to remain this way. Perhaps you'll just relax with the possibilty of the worst, and the possibility of the best unimaginable as well. because the next moment past reading this, it could all end, it could feel amazing forever, or anything......No need to linger on this, just accept all possibility openly and carry on.

This may be advanced stuff, so tread lightly, its not a easy matter so be prepared to feel uncomfortable. I'll probably make more video's around this subject, particular if people have interest. I've found looking into death and dying as one of the most profound ways of letting go of fear and attachment. Feel free to leave any questions or insights.

Your welcome, ya death is a topic that isn't as straight forward as it seems in terms of approaching it. Theres fear of death broadly, and then the particulars and these are numerous. So perhaps if you do a guided visualization, to do so in a way that helps the person narrow down into what it means for themselves as opposed to a assumption of death on your part. Examples of death notions people have are, being judged by a god that judges, being in some sort of limbo with no body just floating and the fear that may bring being stuck in such, some fear that it will be painful, or fear that it will leave others in pain, fears that you didn't do enough or make something of yourself, and so on and so on....

Accompanied or not accompanied with what you call divine fragrance is still ultimately divine fragrance, just perhaps not momentarily experienced as such as what seems to be a body.

Its an interesting an insight and one I've thought about before. The thing that came to me was that its not that they don't, its that they don't for you and where your at, at this moment. I've felt what your talking about with particular guru's and saints, and down the road, its not there, in fact its the opposite, I feel and sense their ego or rigidity in ways I didn't see before (i'm sure they'd tell me its my ego and its being reflected of their pureness of their mirror, lol I kid....kinda).

Trust me when I say this to you. There is someone, in fact many people out there who like you already for who you are and what you look like. The people that don't see you this way you don't want to be with anyways, imagine being in a relationship where they didn't like you. Wouldn't you rather they not pretended. Sure it would be nice if each person told you they were not interested, but thats not realistic and won't happen, and honestly you'd probably grow tired of that to. Its not you, its not them, its just how dating happens. You can gruel over it, or just let it be, and keep going, because eventually something will click. Sure there's probably some deeper things you can learn about yourself if you want to look deeper and psychoanalyses, and honestly it may be healthy. However, what I'm saying can hopefully just cut through a lot of immediate discomfort and help you relax a little right now.

Godhead and life are not two. And yet what you speak of is something that may appear to happen and be experienced like so. There is no-"one" that goes or comesback, Godhead is all angles and experience.

This may be a controversial answer, but no one knows. From a scientific standpoint, there isn't a lot of data to say one way or the other. You can't live one life, become enlightened, measure something called happiness objectively, and then simultaneously live another life, become enlightened and do growing up work to compare it to, to see if one is happier than the other. That said, there's a lot of growing up work that you may hear about, be inspired to do, then experience a correlation to feeling better than you were before you had done so. Like, realizing your a raging alchoholic, or have a violent temper, feeling a need to change such things, following such movements of energy, and then down the road finding out that you dont wake up as drained, interacting with people is overall more pleasant......

I wasn't saying anything about desire. My point was, that if you boil down your theory to its core, and what is potentially happening in the execution of it, its the same is being mindful in the moment as you walk the path. Fulfillment is from the act and connection of walking, not the destination arrived. And what I liked about this, was that it was just said in a different lingo and thus having the potential to reach a different range of people.

Interesting theory, maybe its true, maybe not, but I like it somehow. Part of me wonders if what you've connected within this theory, is just being more connected to what your doing in the moment. The line of questioning and pursuit that can follow from this theory model is one that brings one closer to walking the path as its own meaning rather then being result oriented. Being more mindful present in ones actions and not clinging to a result, are said to have similar results (again another theory). Funny enough they seem like the same theory just said differently or approached with different language and jargon, which I really like and think is a way to teach or reach a broader audience. I may steal some of this lingo since there are people who just don't like new age lingo or eastern concepts.

Ego, is that you? Your right in a sense, happiness will never be happiness since its transitioning and temporary, but what about everything else being held to this same truth and standard? Let that understanding spread to your held beliefs about suffering, the cold harsh world, the world being unfair, all notions you convey in your radical posts that like to contradict large regarded spiritual truths by many of the past Enlightened Masters. Then, just maybe, you may learn something you didn't know was there or possible.

I think your more objectively close to getting banned, than the post you quoted is objectively funny. This is kinda a dick comment, please remove.

But what about Truth = God told me it is love, so that can't get any more rock bottom, there for it is, and since God told me, your idea of Truth is false. See... Its just definitions of Truth. Are you saying 7 billion people give greater credence to something, because there is a consensus? Don't get me wrong, I think I agree with something within what your saying, its just not so rock bottom and done, of which Im not sure your saying either.

Why are speculation and idea's any less True then the passing of "looking at hand" or sensory experience? Are not both equal as experience? Can you see at times that your definition of Truth seems to hinge on your definitions of Truth to be so. Why something is Truth and why something isn't all hinging on..... "......"?

Breaks are good. Invest in what your heart is now interested. Down the road with new perspective, you may see all this in a new light.

What are you labeling as hatred, selfish, inferior, compared and self-love? See if you can lock down a definition of each before you then try and make a comparison or distinction.

I think bipolargrowth said some good things for you that you connected with, so keep reflecting on this. His second paragraph in particular I'd read some more and I'll expand off a few things below. This is deep stuff. Read your original post again, and see if theres anything that doesn't sit true, like you just said it because you believed it to be true and it isn't actually or really known to be. I do think there is a self hating like pattern and I think its something that you've gotten truely in touch with. However don't let it be the full picture or conclude you Absolutely hate yourself, leave room for what you don't know. Something worth trying when you get into this pattern, is don't wiggle away from whats going on, and DONT blame or shame or tell yourself this is wrong, bad or shouldn't be this way, just let the energies/pattern of whats happening happen. At some point when your in the thick of this, just be like ya I hate myself and I get enjoyment for this for some reason, if thats what feels so true. Really own it without shame or blame or some idea it shouldn't be this way or its a sin that its happening. Just own it. Then ask yourself what do I get out of this and how long do I want to do this. Honestly look at if this behavior is getting you closer to what you want in life or in the moment or not. Don't rush this to some idea you think you need to get to, like you must answer in a way that is some how good or to make you stop. Be as honest with yourself as possible and own that honesty and see what changes. Maybe you will hate yourself to some degree for some time longer, maybe not, maybe you will see that its not serving you anymore and you'll naturally be able to go yeah, I'm done with this. Or maybe you will still do it, get some sort of satisfaction and it will pass naturally when your not blaming and shaming and holding onto the idea's of what it means about you. However, if you do want this to change, accept that it won't happen over night or over weeks, it may take time and to accept the time it takes to change and give space around the issue. Don't blame yourself that its not happening as fast as you'd like, just accept change takes time and take the baby steps and ups and down it will take to let the change occur. Feel free to message in the future if this is confusing or need further advice.

This sounds like a lot to unpack here and a complicated one to work out in a forum post. Lets start with relativism. How do you understand relativism and what role are you playing in this?

Ya I get you. Keep it up. Just be careful with ultimate statements. Why tell XXX negativity will and can haunt you again? What good or use or truth is this? You can get a little worked up, perhaps a little cocky, and maybe a little insensitive at times. Just be mindful. Also I'm not sure I follow that Oneness can be separate? What would separate itself from itself? Only god is between stuff, and as a result its never not God and never separation.

Haha, dont let my youtube channel fool you into thinking I'm wealthy, I make no money on it. I'm pretty average by society standards, perhaps lower class for the boston area. I'm happy to hear your as content with your life as you are, its a great place to be. Ya what I shared is pretty basic enlightenment 101, but that basic lesson does go very deep. Deeper then I've taken it. I'm not sure i agree that this is all philosophical, and not practical, but ya, this ground IS. If you want to use the words, pain, suffering, happiness, love and all that, I'm ok with that.

Well the subtly to what I'm pointing to is that "physical" pain can't be separated from as you call the mental and/or elements out of ones control. One guy sprains a leg, no big deal. Guy two sprains his leg and its the worse physical pain he's ever known and needs to be taken to the hospital, can't eat, sleep, complains at the top of his lungs. Guy one, not only sprains his leg, but continues to run a marathon, get in a fight and sleeps just fine at the end of the day. Guy one goes on to heal his leg, doesn't think anything of it, life doesn't change. Guy two is afraid to play sports, go down stairs, do anything that could possible hurt his leg again. Develops back pain as a result of muslce disorders because his walk is constrained due to the guy protecting his leg even though there is no injury to it any longer. Example 2: One person can put needles through their arm no pain, or perhaps some discomfort. Person two almost has a heart attack, nearly dies, freaks the fuck out, goes through excruciating pain. Do you see what I'm pointing to? Pain is not a you do this to the body, it does this in response, and as a result it means its a horrible or good thing about life, the individual, or the causer of such. And I hear your points as well, and agree, not everyone is prepared for every type of pain or issue and as a result discomfort and suffering will and does happen. What this means about life is another matter which I also point out as well. Such does make life itself horrible, good, right, wrong, malicious, sad, not worth living, and many others that get added onto ones outlook as a result of going through difficult, painful, suffering, hard times (and yes this unavoidable to). Again, I never made a claim in this topic that life is love or happiness itself. I will say though, its not negative.

Im sorry if you've taken my actions this way. Can you point out how in this instance I said your lacking perspective? I just introduced stuff and said if your interested there may be something there if intrigued. I've agreed with some of your points and felt differently on others. I often take the side of bringing more into the picture for perspective sake. Can you point out where I'm not looking at your perspective because i believe mine is more coherent and larger? Not that it bothers me but your first comment on the last page which seemed partially targeted at me since it seemed very targeted at the type of wisdom you thought was woo woo or unicornical and was right under my post, "I always say it's easy to talk philosophy as long as you're living a comfortable life. But what happens when someone comes and rapes and tortures you? All of the sudden, you'll be suffering and in pain. All of these unicornical ideas about happiness and peace of mind will fly out of the window. And you will be left with hatred towards life and God and everything. Hippies on drugs won't understand, because the high effect is stronger. But drugs don't last forever." This was right after I was responding to Someonehere on some views about happiness. None of it was about saying life is love, happiness, and nothing else, that was never my claim and none of it was responding to you in anyways. Maybe you lumped me into a larger idea going on in this topic or something that rubs you the wrong way about such idea's. Also to your same point your bringing to my attention, how was a response like you gave at all respectful of what I was talking to someonehere about. If anything it seems like you made no consideration or responded to anything I said, just gave some idea's you had with utmost certainty and called such notions as unicornical. I then went on to explain in a non condescending way my points about such claims. Perhaps I've taken a position in the past, but in this instance it seems like its not the case, and it is perhaps you who should take in your own criticism in this instance (I honestly don't care if you do or not, but since you seem interested in this line of respect). Im open to hearing your side and looking at this more, but as of now I've said my piece. Also in my brief recollection of our past talks, youve asked me questions or challenged notions and I would go about explaining my reasoning (Your not the only one on this forum who's done this, its pretty much the norm). Not once have you I felt you took anything into consideration, which is odd, since it was you who asked, and most of your responses have been on the defensive convinced end of he spectrum (again, a very common norm). I'll try and be more aware in future exchanges, and please bring up anything you feel in regard to such, but as of right now, I've said what I feel is true, even if I'm wrong.