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How do you know you don't have control in your life, if your not in control? Sounds like your lying to yourself.

Lol your back to this one. What is a satisfactory answer to anything? If solipsism seems satisfactory for you, so be it, it doesn't mean it is or proves any possible objectivity. Christians are very satisfied with their views of the bible, and see your not agreeing as just as ridiculous as you see others not seeing how unprovable or satisfactory solipsism is.

Just some food for thought. What about the physical world is physical? If there's just "world" what about it can really be said to be outside or inside? What about the world is a dream and empty if its just ego giving story? Surely thats a story to then.

Maybe your not ready for what I'm pointing at, but even this "known is that it cannot be a full known", is just as much a idea. It may dawn on you what I'm pointing to goes into infinitum....... and even that is not exactly true, nor is that, nor is that, nor is that, nor is that.................. The unknown I'm pointing towards is not about an answer to a problem or within logic such as if I dont know your name its unknown and if I do it is known. Perhaps its more of a state of being, but this to is often filtered through dualities, a already believed sense of self, choice/not choice, individualism and sometimes collectivism and what your left with is still within the sphere of these notions.

The one last mind bender to fill out this pointer, and not land on skepticism is also dropping the idea or “known” that you can’t know for sure. This to is just as much a idea ????

I like your trains of thought. However the constant in all of them is known for you. Knowns are known and unknowns are known. I'm pointing to something, in a place that is neither of these. Although, I'm not completely sure either. Go back to my previous post and consider some of the ramifications I'm asking. Maybe another way of approaching what I'm eluding to is. When is anything a "known" if you never know what something is to begin with, ei, it seems everything be broken down to finer elements of what made up the original "known" and you never know what you don't know which effects/impacts/or allows for the so called "known". So what is ever known exactly? Partial knows?, but then this assumes there are parts that could make up a whole, and such info comes from one line of thinking and observation which isn't necessarily proved. So again, when is known or unknown ever "known", lol.

My sense is that your seeing this in a slightly different way than I am and I'm not sure exactly what that is, seems useful in scientific deduction/solving a problem. Sometimes I get what your saying is very practical and useful, like its reasonably logical and may be something to live by in a way, but at the same time may be missing the elephant in the room. Would you say a "known unknown" in your world is dependent on the known. For example, this so called "known" your aware of has aspects that are yet to be explained and are thus "known unknowns" but are linked or based on the first assumption of knowning this "known" as known or atleast a assumed "thing or distinction", which is often separate from other things. If this first "known" is seeing clearer to be itself unknown or perhaps not other/separate, where would that put this line of thinking? This is more of the direction I'm coming from. Just curious your thoughts.

Ya, interesting thoughts. I see where your going with them. It makes sense, however I'm not sure how you can ever really determine how open or close you need to be in relation to a vast array of ever changing circumstances, perhaps organic trail and error. Because as you may of eluded to you never know what variables are understood, and to what degree and not understood, and to what degree. That said we are all going to feel and go through such processes of making so called distinctions, since its so natural and would seem absurd not to, but still its all pretty crazy if you really start to zoom in on this with such a lens of belief (belief of control and choice). It may dawn on you, that its just so mathematically complex in a certain sense you couldn't possible know for certain each moment, and yet we all get up and somehow navigate and make consistent survival choices (all be it some appear to be better than others, lol). There's a radical unknown that is "out there" so to say that if seen with such obvious, will either make you freak the fuck out and try to control everything around you in fear of having no control, or make you laugh so hard that you just let go and sail smoother. Thats what I'm hoping to point to in my video's.

I really don't agree. Reflecting on hurtful actions attached or not I don't think is an issue, nor is it one I asked her to do. And if said someone had done so, it wouldn't be shaming as a result. Shaming is done with emotional intent in my opinion. Like I can say go fuck yourself with different intents, one my bring laughter and connection, and the other may just be aggressive, lashing out and cause separation.

Its a by product so to say, not a thing you intend to do afterwards.

Good, video's like this can do that for some reason. Hope all is well.

Who said anything about shaming? Say, you'd raped my child and felt bad after. Should I tell you to be ok with it and move on, or perhaps understand how that felt to do so and the effects it had (wound as motivation and wisdom) and not to do it again because of this experience (wound as motivation and wisdom).

Sounds like this is a useful "wound" to motivate you to be better and a reminder to treat your mom and perhaps others with greater kindness. Try putting your energy in this direction and see if it heals this pain in you....

@soos_mite_ah You have a good heart, you did the right thing, you accepted and understand the stress your dad may be going through and sounds like you forgive him and still want to give him something you like. And it made you said the way he responded. Sounds like your a human with a heart and are in pain temporarily. Nothing to worry about, forgive and move on, it will be water under the bridge soon and you may never recall it again.

My heart goes out to you. Just be with the pain and cry all you need. Its a painful process this type of thing, but normal and natural. Even animals go through this. Mourn all you need and one day it will click its time to move on, and perhaps you can live with a greater purpose, perhaps for your mom, or for an understanding you gained in your recognition that life is fragile and momentary. Much love.

I've been down a similar road in my past. Shaming and wishing things weren't the way they were, didn't help, it only made what was happening worse. I'd force myself to do things with shameful motivation rather then later learning to just accept I had a draining emotional experience at times and to accept it. I'd start with stopping the shaming, and shaming that you do in general, both inwardly and outwardly. This is not going to help. I'd accept your desire to lay in bed and do nothing while at the same time lean into your desires to do some goals that you have. Just do what you can, even if its a little, call it a victory. The more you do this, the easier it generally gets and the more motivated you feel in the future. Also forming a practice of gratitude in which you spend a few minutes each morning and or evening just reflecting on what you do have, the basics, things that not everyone has, and perhaps finding gratitude in this. It may not feel natural at first, but the more you do it the more it may click and start to feel natural. Take my word, you dont want to wait till you lose a friend, your sight, an arm, your job, until you feel its lose and wish you had it back. Recognize what you have today and each day and just say thanks, to life and to self. Give it a go for a few weeks and let us know how it went.

Amen, well said, and happy new year. Sounds like someone is growing a heart.

You really can't go wrong with some degree of kindness towards others and yourself. That's always a good start. Then if you feel like you need more then that, maybe inquire to what ends does this question serve you? Curiosity? Security of getting it right? Just want to know so you can relax? Want to know so you can tell others? Maybe none of the above and what ever it is will lead you to your next question or pursuit.

Funny I made a video today and last week on the subject of the unknown. While it may not exactly answer what your asking, it may answer it from a different angle or show something useful. Here's a link if interested.

This all sounds rather innocent and small in the spectrum of horribleness that can happen. Why can't you move no and forgive yourself.

Why assume you would have to believe in others? Did you have to believe in experience before it occurred? Perhaps experience is giving rise to the "you" that thinks it believes its doing such actions and not the other way around.

To your second point, what or where would all these incomprehensible recursive/nested systems be within or contained within? And if they are not contained within anything, then how would they be separate? And if they are contained within, how again would they be separate?

Any questions?

What is illusion by your own definition, and what is real? Thats a good place to start before I could answer you further.

In the limited time I spent looking into Wilbers views, I'm guessing he's saying, that within enlightenment which can happen at any stage of development, you can become aware of the Truth that what is, is One so to say. This can happen as a nazi, or as a monk.