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@Endangered-EGO Ya thats some interesting insights. The mystery is awe inspiring. Have you focused this investigation to the sense of 'you' that feels like its doing such investigation yet?

@Someone here As Michael has said, diet, excercise and reduce/eventually eliminate cigarettes, and will do wonders to baseline stress, feel good emotions. I know they seem like stuff that everyone talks about and may come across as cliche at this point, but they make a difference.

Ya, accepting oneself/condition/circumstances/environment/interactions is not a easy en devour, but it does seem to get easy once you get the hang of it so to say. Accept what you can and accept what you can't accept, and even accept that you can't accept that sometimes. It doesn't make sense to the mind sometimes, but it somehow stops the divide and in fighting. I remember one day, I just said to myself in the biggest way possible, how about I just stop fighting in my head, in the world, in everything, I imagined a little pow wow with all of the parts of myself that just dont get a long and could never get a long, and said, work it out some how, find a way to at least respect all sides and judgements, the ones that are like you should be like this because its survival optimal, or I want to do this because I like it even if it means its not, the child that wants to just have fun and the adult that wants to make sure things are done in a way that is optimal, considerate, ideal, finding some way that they could all understand eachother from their own desires and perspectives, acknowledging and not judging, allow each to feel as they do. Some how things settled down some from this.

when I dealt with this it kinda happened like a epiphany/internal roll play. It dawned on me that some people do in fact accept their life choices, consequences included and they are at peace with it. Yes people with fatal diseases, at war, one second away from dying, people who just don't care anymore in kinda a healthy way and if they live they live, if not they dont, I'm gonna surf this 100 foot wave, climb without ropes, go into this cage and fight kinda thing. Seeing this opened up new possibility within my human dynamic to allow for another possibility. My mind like yours was convinced that there was just certain things that were gonna be the way they are going to be, like fear of death and pain, and this is just a belief that can change. On top of this I was heavily contemplating the worth of life in general, the point of life, if god cares about one life over another, and so with this I think it all added to this shift of not being convinced of my certainties and fears around death and pain. Also another video that really influenced my views that goes into this approach from this angle and greatly elaborates is a video from Bentinho Massaro. His earlier videos in my opinion are more humble, open and more appealing then his middle years (I like some of his new stuff to). But this video helped to just accept something without fighting. Watch this as though it were your ticket out of hell....

@Someone here No your making the uncertain, certain in this case. you want to face your what if, uncertain possibility, with yes this is certain so let me face and deal with as such. To come to accept and be unafraid possibly by the you may die or may feel pain in future moments. Sure maybe it is to much and intense to do this method, and its not a easy one, may take time. But sometimes solutions dont happen at once.

Lightening strikes people sometimes. Its not personal, it just happens. I'm not conveying hopelessness, I'm hoping to convey surrender or calm acceptance of suchness as it appears now. It doesn't mean accepting permanent, nor changing, but ease with what ever may be. Perhaps in time or in the suggestion to intend help from something, something will arise and shift whats taking place mentally. If you don't resonate with this, forget it ever happened and move on. Cheers.

This may be a unavoidable dark night of the soul kinda event. For some time try and Let it happen, dont worry, or search for cause, reason or outcome. Maybe close your eyes when you've got some quiet time and just ask inside or outside into the universe through intention, that you need some help or guidance with this. Sometimes something will answer and help. Just accept to the best of your ability, that these may be challenging times (but also open enough to the possibility that it may all disappear at any momement, like it never happened, like it was before this all happened). Also dont judge yourself or the event, acknowledge your in pain and suffering, try and keep a calm stableness if you can. Suffer elegantly, suffer without victimization, suffer calmly and understandingly that this is a part of life, and its not personal. Also is this the first time you've dealt with something like this. How was your mental health before?

Something that helped me at one point was to try and accept the thoughts and feelings fully, as opposed to try and tell yourself they aren't true, won't happen as the thoughts feel or say so, or push or shift away from them. For example really let in "what if something bad happened to me", ya, it may happen, and if it does, so what, maybe you die, maybe you feel pain, but this is normal and natural in the possibility of all things. Just look around, its not like it wouldn't be the first time, something painful happens in the world. Then maybe you'lll feel like, I don't want this to happen, I don't like this. Sure, accept this. maybe your mad about it. Ok, sure, accept this. But eventually you may see that, its okay to feel this way, but you won't want to remain this way. Perhaps you'll just relax with the possibilty of the worst, and the possibility of the best unimaginable as well. because the next moment past reading this, it could all end, it could feel amazing forever, or anything......No need to linger on this, just accept all possibility openly and carry on.

This may be advanced stuff, so tread lightly, its not a easy matter so be prepared to feel uncomfortable. I'll probably make more video's around this subject, particular if people have interest. I've found looking into death and dying as one of the most profound ways of letting go of fear and attachment. Feel free to leave any questions or insights.

Your welcome, ya death is a topic that isn't as straight forward as it seems in terms of approaching it. Theres fear of death broadly, and then the particulars and these are numerous. So perhaps if you do a guided visualization, to do so in a way that helps the person narrow down into what it means for themselves as opposed to a assumption of death on your part. Examples of death notions people have are, being judged by a god that judges, being in some sort of limbo with no body just floating and the fear that may bring being stuck in such, some fear that it will be painful, or fear that it will leave others in pain, fears that you didn't do enough or make something of yourself, and so on and so on....

Accompanied or not accompanied with what you call divine fragrance is still ultimately divine fragrance, just perhaps not momentarily experienced as such as what seems to be a body.

Its an interesting an insight and one I've thought about before. The thing that came to me was that its not that they don't, its that they don't for you and where your at, at this moment. I've felt what your talking about with particular guru's and saints, and down the road, its not there, in fact its the opposite, I feel and sense their ego or rigidity in ways I didn't see before (i'm sure they'd tell me its my ego and its being reflected of their pureness of their mirror, lol I kid....kinda).

Trust me when I say this to you. There is someone, in fact many people out there who like you already for who you are and what you look like. The people that don't see you this way you don't want to be with anyways, imagine being in a relationship where they didn't like you. Wouldn't you rather they not pretended. Sure it would be nice if each person told you they were not interested, but thats not realistic and won't happen, and honestly you'd probably grow tired of that to. Its not you, its not them, its just how dating happens. You can gruel over it, or just let it be, and keep going, because eventually something will click. Sure there's probably some deeper things you can learn about yourself if you want to look deeper and psychoanalyses, and honestly it may be healthy. However, what I'm saying can hopefully just cut through a lot of immediate discomfort and help you relax a little right now.

Godhead and life are not two. And yet what you speak of is something that may appear to happen and be experienced like so. There is no-"one" that goes or comesback, Godhead is all angles and experience.

This may be a controversial answer, but no one knows. From a scientific standpoint, there isn't a lot of data to say one way or the other. You can't live one life, become enlightened, measure something called happiness objectively, and then simultaneously live another life, become enlightened and do growing up work to compare it to, to see if one is happier than the other. That said, there's a lot of growing up work that you may hear about, be inspired to do, then experience a correlation to feeling better than you were before you had done so. Like, realizing your a raging alchoholic, or have a violent temper, feeling a need to change such things, following such movements of energy, and then down the road finding out that you dont wake up as drained, interacting with people is overall more pleasant......

I wasn't saying anything about desire. My point was, that if you boil down your theory to its core, and what is potentially happening in the execution of it, its the same is being mindful in the moment as you walk the path. Fulfillment is from the act and connection of walking, not the destination arrived. And what I liked about this, was that it was just said in a different lingo and thus having the potential to reach a different range of people.

Interesting theory, maybe its true, maybe not, but I like it somehow. Part of me wonders if what you've connected within this theory, is just being more connected to what your doing in the moment. The line of questioning and pursuit that can follow from this theory model is one that brings one closer to walking the path as its own meaning rather then being result oriented. Being more mindful present in ones actions and not clinging to a result, are said to have similar results (again another theory). Funny enough they seem like the same theory just said differently or approached with different language and jargon, which I really like and think is a way to teach or reach a broader audience. I may steal some of this lingo since there are people who just don't like new age lingo or eastern concepts.

Ego, is that you? Your right in a sense, happiness will never be happiness since its transitioning and temporary, but what about everything else being held to this same truth and standard? Let that understanding spread to your held beliefs about suffering, the cold harsh world, the world being unfair, all notions you convey in your radical posts that like to contradict large regarded spiritual truths by many of the past Enlightened Masters. Then, just maybe, you may learn something you didn't know was there or possible.

I think your more objectively close to getting banned, than the post you quoted is objectively funny. This is kinda a dick comment, please remove.

But what about Truth = God told me it is love, so that can't get any more rock bottom, there for it is, and since God told me, your idea of Truth is false. See... Its just definitions of Truth. Are you saying 7 billion people give greater credence to something, because there is a consensus? Don't get me wrong, I think I agree with something within what your saying, its just not so rock bottom and done, of which Im not sure your saying either.

Why are speculation and idea's any less True then the passing of "looking at hand" or sensory experience? Are not both equal as experience? Can you see at times that your definition of Truth seems to hinge on your definitions of Truth to be so. Why something is Truth and why something isn't all hinging on..... "......"?

Breaks are good. Invest in what your heart is now interested. Down the road with new perspective, you may see all this in a new light.

What are you labeling as hatred, selfish, inferior, compared and self-love? See if you can lock down a definition of each before you then try and make a comparison or distinction.

I think bipolargrowth said some good things for you that you connected with, so keep reflecting on this. His second paragraph in particular I'd read some more and I'll expand off a few things below. This is deep stuff. Read your original post again, and see if theres anything that doesn't sit true, like you just said it because you believed it to be true and it isn't actually or really known to be. I do think there is a self hating like pattern and I think its something that you've gotten truely in touch with. However don't let it be the full picture or conclude you Absolutely hate yourself, leave room for what you don't know. Something worth trying when you get into this pattern, is don't wiggle away from whats going on, and DONT blame or shame or tell yourself this is wrong, bad or shouldn't be this way, just let the energies/pattern of whats happening happen. At some point when your in the thick of this, just be like ya I hate myself and I get enjoyment for this for some reason, if thats what feels so true. Really own it without shame or blame or some idea it shouldn't be this way or its a sin that its happening. Just own it. Then ask yourself what do I get out of this and how long do I want to do this. Honestly look at if this behavior is getting you closer to what you want in life or in the moment or not. Don't rush this to some idea you think you need to get to, like you must answer in a way that is some how good or to make you stop. Be as honest with yourself as possible and own that honesty and see what changes. Maybe you will hate yourself to some degree for some time longer, maybe not, maybe you will see that its not serving you anymore and you'll naturally be able to go yeah, I'm done with this. Or maybe you will still do it, get some sort of satisfaction and it will pass naturally when your not blaming and shaming and holding onto the idea's of what it means about you. However, if you do want this to change, accept that it won't happen over night or over weeks, it may take time and to accept the time it takes to change and give space around the issue. Don't blame yourself that its not happening as fast as you'd like, just accept change takes time and take the baby steps and ups and down it will take to let the change occur. Feel free to message in the future if this is confusing or need further advice.

This sounds like a lot to unpack here and a complicated one to work out in a forum post. Lets start with relativism. How do you understand relativism and what role are you playing in this?