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@Shiva@Pure Imagination @Serotoninluv Thanks man, I have started to see that myself, but still, its a part of getting out of biases and ego traps. I deeply resonate with yellow values and I have had experiences of being consciousness and unconditional love. I understand many different systems, I am very open and compassionate, I love contributing the world by motivating other people to self-actualize as well. But still... people say that its almost impossible for me to be this high in the spiral, even though I am very smart and talented... I can also say what were my deep blue, deep orange and deep green periods like... But still...

@Serotoninluv You seem to understand the Spiral very well, do you think you can tell me, how can I actually know, what stage am I in? I was thinking about myself as a yellow individual as well, but many people say that I am just transitioning from orange to green. I am definitely not blue, even though I have things to transcend there, just as most people do. My main problem is that I dont understand, how can for example a blue person have orange values or orange person have green values, it seems so contradictory... I know that reality is very contradictory, but how does the model actually work then? I am very compassionate and I have a desire to grow, but its not some kind of dogmatic kind of desire, like Tai Lopez kind of stuff. Orange just seems like a flexible and healthier blue to me... How can this statement trick me? What are the things to develop in green and orange, mabe even blue? How do I know if I am yellow? It is getting soooo complex... Leo's videos stopped making sense, at least his SD series...

@Pure Imagination I cannot really help you man, but keep it up, I resonate with you! I am working on the same thing, figuring out, where I belong on the spiral, building a self actualizing community at the moment, I am also very very motivated!

@Elisabeth I meant growth without bias. The technique they use to grow has to grow too...

Hey guys! Lately, I have been thinking about having a relationship, in order to get even more support and the classic Napoleon Hill type of sex drive motivation. I think that if I would find someone, who would resonate with me, it could open up a whole new dimension of growth. The problem is, that I am 15, there are no yellow girls in my age - the country I live in is very blue - and I am generally not attracted to the girls from tier 1 of the spiral. I am also not that good with girls, even though I am not as terrible as I used to be. I dont think this is some kind of solution to all my problems, but the thing is, that there might be something to it, you never know without trying. If I find such a girl, probably later in my life, I should probably be ready for that... Do you have any suggestions? Does anybody have a similar issue?

@Elisabeth Thanks Elisabeth! I am actually starting to build a community and I will travel around the Czech republic, talking about Spiral dynamics and other interesting topics... I will probably find someone, but thats not the goal... I have 2 people who are quite serious, but... I need more. I dont want to find a partner this way, but its possible and it could give me an actual evidence, that people like this exist. Of course, growth is not everything, colour isnt everything and I cannot find the perfect princess. But I wont be satisfied with a typical orange girl, I know way too many of girls like this. Green would probably do, but I am generally not attracted to anyone at the moment, I dont know if its a problem... And as I am going deeper, I actually think that I dont understand SD as well as I thought. If a person has a desire to grow and live meaningfully, that actually says a lot about him/her, its not as simple as some of the people here think it is.

@Lynnel I am seriously open to that, but... I am super lost... What are the differences, between the stages? When blue can act like orange, but actually be blue... it seems so contradictory, I feel like even after reading the book and speaking about it with more developd friends, I am still lost... How can I actually know, if I am colour X? From Leo's videos, it seems easy to just have the values of a priest, businessman or a hippie, it feels like I have had these periods already in my 15 year old life... What actually tells me, that a person is for example blue, when he/she acts like orange or green? How do I even achieve yellow? What other models should I study to grasp the whole meaning?

@Michael569 Thanks Michael, I think I have an illustrated book in my bookshelf actually... There might also be some great books in the local library, thanks!

@Hellspeed Thats interesting, it seems kinda true... How do I achieve that? I dont know anything about chakra... any recommendations?

Hey guys, I finally watched Leo's video on this and it explained many things that were happening to me. I kind of knew that they are caused by this, but it's getting pretty weird and I am curious if you guys have any of these experiences as well. I have quite weird nightmares and thoughts about my family being butchered, even though I wont hurt a fly in the real life. I also go on binges quite regularly these days, I considered myself addiction free, but after maditating for longer time, these ego backslashes just started to kick in and sometimes I just feel like eating a whole chocolate bar or creating an account on some stupid game... I dont usually do that but the craving is still there... Do you experience anything similar?

@kieranperez I feel you pain brother... life is so great when you know all these models and have people to discuss them with...

Hey guys, I have been a scout leader for quite some time and it really triggered me, that my friends arent self-actualizing with me, so I wanted to organize an event about Spiral dynamics, mysticism and advanced psychology. 10 people came, I put on my Morpheus glasses and they thought I was joking, when I gave them a choise of two candies, whether they want to stay or go, after I mentioned the „dark“ side of growth. It was supposed to be an hour long, but they were so interested, that it took us 3 hours to finish and they still have questions... Some didnt get it as well as some of the others, but I rate it as an excellent project! I wanna encourage you guys, who have similar life purpose to try something like this out.... I am 15 and already building a self-development community that will surely grow fast in the following days!

@Leo Gura What does it even mean to be mature? Should I just try to do the things adults do, like try to make some money, try to communicate with kids, chores and practical skills like cookig etc...? I see that there is a big opportunity to grow there, even according to SD and Maslow's hierarchy, as it makes us more independent, but its still unclear what maturity means... in my opinion, you can definitely become mature in younger age, if you have enough experience, most of my friends are around 20 years old or even older, cant really connect that much with my peers. Do you think I should study Maslow more deeply to get a more precise understanding? It seems that I have grown a lot, but the colours and needs are still unclear. It seems very dogmatic to think that all parents are more developed than adults, at least most adults in my country lack perspectives, they only live in one way and dont really study anything complex. If a teenager has a wider worldview than his grandma, does it mean, that the teenager could have developed a higher stage, but the grandma is more mature and developed overall? (if she isnt senile)

@wavydude My dream was super weird, I didnt kill anyone, but in the end I had a huge killing spree and I won, but I wasnt happy from the victory, I killed my friends and family... it was horrible, it made me more grateful I guess.

@RichardY If you arent Asian/Peter Ralston, you cant beat Asian at their own game, there is no way. I know a professional Go player myself, he is around 20, speak Chinese Mandarin and play for many year, yet he still gets destroyed by 5 year old Chinese guy.

@okulele Thank you so much! I will try it out asap!

@Tony 845 I see... I am not someone who would get carried away by that, its just a terrifying experience for the very first time... I am getting better and better at recognizing dreams. I have just watched a video were Alan Watts was talking about if someone was able to have a 75 years long - average human life span - dream, it would be like living a life each night... Its pretty exciting idea.

@emind Dont let go ego trick you though... Keep being vigilant all the time, remember when Leo said that your ego will place you 2 stages above - my classmate thinks he is green and has even had glimpses of turquoise... bullshit, he is blue. I am not saying that you are talking trash, just keep that in mind, its often a huge obstacle, thats why Leo tells us to question everything. @Leo Gura Are kids somehow limited, when it comes to evolution on the spiral? I have heard peopl saying that most of the teenagers are blue or even red, but I never thought about it that way, I always saw these people as orange and green... sometimes blue. After observing their behavior more closely and patiently, I discovered that some of them really have deeply blue and red sides of them, but they are still quite developed. Are the older people just blindly generalizing, when they say that children havent changed almost at all? I considered myself quite yellow, with some orange and green, but as I question some things I do, I am finding more and more limitations of green in myself, so I am definitely not as deeply yellow as I thought, even though I am implementing some yellow values. I take my orange as something that I have walked over, without developping it that much, can that be the case? Is it bad anyway? What I mean by that is, that I have never done pick up, I am like average with girls and I am not really interested in money... I dont know, what colour is that, if its blue even or just green...

@Outer Everything has benefits, its all on you, how you take it. For example, by playing a game like Go, you can learn how to think ahead, think more strategically and how to accept failure. Many smart people play chess and Go. I am not saying that its the must do, but your perspective is just a bit biased. You can also get these benefits by doing martial arts of something...

Wim Hof

@NoSelfSelf Do you mean the food or the actaul fridge? @Talinn I hope this doesnt happen to me at school lmao. @Tony 845 So what do you think about dreams, do they have a meaning? From the beginning, I used to be pretty damn scared after being put into the Hunger Games pit with my family and friends, it was a freaking horrible thing, I was glad that I woke up, but I am actually a very happy and stable person in real life... do you know something more?

There are things that can be learnt from orange people, like social skills, money managment, but these gave to be refined with the other colours to not be destructive... Leo is absolutely right - I have a yellow friend and he is so great to talk to, definitely more useful and even challenging and wiser than most of my friends...

When you mentioned that you meditate... thats the dark side of meditation, Leo has a video on that. I have come through dozens of these periods already. You do your thing, learn, meditate, eat healthy and all of a sudden you want to watch a LoL championship and jerk of every day and meditation feels impossible - its temporary, you will probably come up stronger than ever before, your ego is struggling dude, you are actually doing very well.

@kieranperez Oh my... I have to do that before their mailbox gets too full from us self-help junkies sending too many questions haha. I usually do aim straight for the kill myself, but damn, this is a whole new level!!!

@Andreas Its awesome, but my friends are still newbies in this field and they are still scared, I dont think its a good idea to come up with something like this you know.. Maybe after they are more advanced?