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Hey guys, I finally watched Leo's video on this and it explained many things that were happening to me. I kind of knew that they are caused by this, but it's getting pretty weird and I am curious if you guys have any of these experiences as well. I have quite weird nightmares and thoughts about my family being butchered, even though I wont hurt a fly in the real life. I also go on binges quite regularly these days, I considered myself addiction free, but after maditating for longer time, these ego backslashes just started to kick in and sometimes I just feel like eating a whole chocolate bar or creating an account on some stupid game... I dont usually do that but the craving is still there... Do you experience anything similar?

@kieranperez I feel you pain brother... life is so great when you know all these models and have people to discuss them with...

Hey guys, I have been a scout leader for quite some time and it really triggered me, that my friends arent self-actualizing with me, so I wanted to organize an event about Spiral dynamics, mysticism and advanced psychology. 10 people came, I put on my Morpheus glasses and they thought I was joking, when I gave them a choise of two candies, whether they want to stay or go, after I mentioned the „dark“ side of growth. It was supposed to be an hour long, but they were so interested, that it took us 3 hours to finish and they still have questions... Some didnt get it as well as some of the others, but I rate it as an excellent project! I wanna encourage you guys, who have similar life purpose to try something like this out.... I am 15 and already building a self-development community that will surely grow fast in the following days!

@Leo Gura What does it even mean to be mature? Should I just try to do the things adults do, like try to make some money, try to communicate with kids, chores and practical skills like cookig etc...? I see that there is a big opportunity to grow there, even according to SD and Maslow's hierarchy, as it makes us more independent, but its still unclear what maturity means... in my opinion, you can definitely become mature in younger age, if you have enough experience, most of my friends are around 20 years old or even older, cant really connect that much with my peers. Do you think I should study Maslow more deeply to get a more precise understanding? It seems that I have grown a lot, but the colours and needs are still unclear. It seems very dogmatic to think that all parents are more developed than adults, at least most adults in my country lack perspectives, they only live in one way and dont really study anything complex. If a teenager has a wider worldview than his grandma, does it mean, that the teenager could have developed a higher stage, but the grandma is more mature and developed overall? (if she isnt senile)

@wavydude My dream was super weird, I didnt kill anyone, but in the end I had a huge killing spree and I won, but I wasnt happy from the victory, I killed my friends and family... it was horrible, it made me more grateful I guess.

@RichardY If you arent Asian/Peter Ralston, you cant beat Asian at their own game, there is no way. I know a professional Go player myself, he is around 20, speak Chinese Mandarin and play for many year, yet he still gets destroyed by 5 year old Chinese guy.

@okulele Thank you so much! I will try it out asap!

@Tony 845 I see... I am not someone who would get carried away by that, its just a terrifying experience for the very first time... I am getting better and better at recognizing dreams. I have just watched a video were Alan Watts was talking about if someone was able to have a 75 years long - average human life span - dream, it would be like living a life each night... Its pretty exciting idea.

@emind Dont let go ego trick you though... Keep being vigilant all the time, remember when Leo said that your ego will place you 2 stages above - my classmate thinks he is green and has even had glimpses of turquoise... bullshit, he is blue. I am not saying that you are talking trash, just keep that in mind, its often a huge obstacle, thats why Leo tells us to question everything. @Leo Gura Are kids somehow limited, when it comes to evolution on the spiral? I have heard peopl saying that most of the teenagers are blue or even red, but I never thought about it that way, I always saw these people as orange and green... sometimes blue. After observing their behavior more closely and patiently, I discovered that some of them really have deeply blue and red sides of them, but they are still quite developed. Are the older people just blindly generalizing, when they say that children havent changed almost at all? I considered myself quite yellow, with some orange and green, but as I question some things I do, I am finding more and more limitations of green in myself, so I am definitely not as deeply yellow as I thought, even though I am implementing some yellow values. I take my orange as something that I have walked over, without developping it that much, can that be the case? Is it bad anyway? What I mean by that is, that I have never done pick up, I am like average with girls and I am not really interested in money... I dont know, what colour is that, if its blue even or just green...

@Outer Everything has benefits, its all on you, how you take it. For example, by playing a game like Go, you can learn how to think ahead, think more strategically and how to accept failure. Many smart people play chess and Go. I am not saying that its the must do, but your perspective is just a bit biased. You can also get these benefits by doing martial arts of something...

Wim Hof

@NoSelfSelf Do you mean the food or the actaul fridge? @Talinn I hope this doesnt happen to me at school lmao. @Tony 845 So what do you think about dreams, do they have a meaning? From the beginning, I used to be pretty damn scared after being put into the Hunger Games pit with my family and friends, it was a freaking horrible thing, I was glad that I woke up, but I am actually a very happy and stable person in real life... do you know something more?

There are things that can be learnt from orange people, like social skills, money managment, but these gave to be refined with the other colours to not be destructive... Leo is absolutely right - I have a yellow friend and he is so great to talk to, definitely more useful and even challenging and wiser than most of my friends...

When you mentioned that you meditate... thats the dark side of meditation, Leo has a video on that. I have come through dozens of these periods already. You do your thing, learn, meditate, eat healthy and all of a sudden you want to watch a LoL championship and jerk of every day and meditation feels impossible - its temporary, you will probably come up stronger than ever before, your ego is struggling dude, you are actually doing very well.

@kieranperez Oh my... I have to do that before their mailbox gets too full from us self-help junkies sending too many questions haha. I usually do aim straight for the kill myself, but damn, this is a whole new level!!!

@Andreas Its awesome, but my friends are still newbies in this field and they are still scared, I dont think its a good idea to come up with something like this you know.. Maybe after they are more advanced?

@Salvijus Thanks man! Much appreciate that! I love watching how all these things Leo suggests to me are starting to work after a year of hardcore growth, its super rewarding! Good luck with your life purpose too man!!

You guys are just pointing out the negative things, but there are things to be learned from lower stages, but you have to combine them with the higher ones to reach your full potential. In beige, you can get enough rest, physical health, hormonal balance. In purple you can master relationships, family and rituals (habits). In red you can master motivation, execution and maybe sexual energy... In blue you create some order/schedule that fits you, you become responsible for your actions and very industrious. In orange you use these principles to lead other, you can also develop social skills like extraversion and assertiveness. In green you should become more compassionate, but if you combine healthy red ad healthy green, you will stop letting other walk all over you and maybe you will stop respecting the nonsencial hierarchies created by blue. In yellow you just become highly open and systemic and in turquoise you can finally master all the bad emotions and traits like volatility, withdrawal and neuroticism - many people even in yellow suffer from emotional pain, not as much as an average blue, but turquoise is the real deal here.

@Aquarius Well, I am 15 years old, doing high school and stuff, but I am doing best... I didnt particularly want you to give me a detailed view into your personal life... I wanted to you to observe yourself, ask yourself, if you want to live like this or if you are just full of lies... I dont know you and your friend, I didnt say that you dont know, that you can learn, I just wanted you to contemplate

@Aquarius Maybe he is actually right, try to be 100% honest with yourself - if you saw yourself in a classroom of 50 people and you wanted to choose the 1 person, that you would be willing to rely on - would you point at yourself inside the large group of others? Be freaking honest, if you are only gonna read and never actually apply what you read, thats just mental masturbation! I dont know where you are in life, whats your career, health, relationships and mind like, but... There is ALWAYS room for improvement. Even if you consider yourself a stage or two higher than your friend, you still probably have something to learn from him, be open to that possibility. Observe yourself, do you actually act according to the good books that you read? Can you spot the shitty ones? Do you execute on your plans?

Is he actually turquoise or just kidding lol?

@Hellspeed He probably means it like that if you are true yellow, you are gonna be open to learning from the lower stages, as well as from the higher ones. Orange can become open to learning from beige - how they follow their gut feeling and stuff... Good leaderships skills are red thinking (Adolf Hitler) but they are destructive, if you dont transcend green's compassion... you get it now?

If your meditation practise and life purpose are decent enough, you wont even want to play video games anymore. The feeling of good fight, accomplished meaningful work, awakening or a big aha moment are much more rewarding than a victory in LoL...

This is so true. My friend has huge eyes and looks basically like a mutated elf, because his hairstyle is the typical Lord of the Rings one. But he is dating a girl, who is super hot and has also graduated from Harvard, so she isnt dumb either. He is super driven, social and compassionate. Thats the qualities you should be looking towards

@Mafortu Its good to be open to art, to embrace your feminine essence. I understand what you mean, but the negative thing about video games is the addiction about them. Every addiction you have is stopping you from achieving eudaimonia.