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@Viking I understand your situation. I used to be just like you not a long ago. But it was probably because I didnt have enough energy because of my bad mental and emotional habits and also addiction - lack of energy. Now when I fixed most of these, I feel much more relaxed and making jokes and fun of myself just seems natural. Meditation also helps a lot. That doesnt mean, that you should be very social, you can most definitely be focused on reading, meditating and stuff like that, but observe it, maybe you can find a problem there, maybe you have some kind of false belief or fear that needs to be fixed. But maybe you are just not interested in meaningless talk. Find a balance, experiment, I would recommend you to work on addictions and beliefs, start meditating if you arent, these things make a difference, especially nofap. I dont know you, so I cannot really give you any relevant advice, but extraversion and happiness are connected. Dont confuse extraversion with neediness and addiction on people though! Most enlightened masters are very social and extraverted, they are also very happy - does Sadhguru, Mooji or Eckhart Tolle seem like someone who is not social or rages a lot?

@Shin Thanks Shin, I appreciate that! You are the chosen one as well!

@Aquarius I dont think that you are trying to teach anyone... I just saw that you are in a similar situation as I am, so I wanted to tell you what I learned. Trying to save you some time Hope it helps. @ajasatya Thanks! I still think that I am not mature in most areas... I need to get kicked real hard to realize something, I used to be a serious narcissist and I just couldnt understand what people are saying me indirectly. I only started to learn about that lately.

@Ampresus I just wanted to tell you that there are more things that you can learn via self-experimentation and I also wanted to give you some advice on how to ask better questions here on this forum. You cannot read my whole personality from these posts. My message: Think about what you are asking and what you are answering. Be vigilant - there is always room for improvement, not only in the things you try but also how you try them and how you learn from it. I dont think you didnt succeed... I just said that there is room for improvement.

@Aquarius Lot of my friends are also angry when I talk about these things, but... Why would you be angry about that? You need to mature to that point, just let them be themselves. I understand your pain, I tried to teach my friends about Spiral dynamics and all the spiritual stuff that Leo talks about and how profound it is, how meditation can change their life - their mind was blown away, but the next day, they told me that they wanna stay in orange, because its pleasant... If a person isnt genuinely interested, you cannot count on them that they are gonna listen to you unfortunately. Only very little people are like this, I dont know how old you are, but I need to be friends with 15 years older people in order to get some juice from the relationship. Its a hard pill to swallow, you need to think about how are you contributing your friends and how can you learn from them, its like a feedback loop. Understand that people dont enjoy if you tell them what to do, before people start to leave you because of that.

@Ampresus If you dont watch most of the videos, you wont even know if they apply to you. If you arent patient enough to watch a video, how can you be patient enough to develop a skill? Have you ever watched a whole video that you thought doesnt apply to you? I watch almost all videos and all of them apply to me, its very likely that you are underestimating his content or you arent doing notes... I dont know man, try to think about it. I didnt say anything about self-experimentation being bad, you just dodged the answer and said some that I wasnt even talking about. The thing with self-experimentation is, that you need to try tons of different things, but you are obviously closed off, its visible just from the way you talk. Try to not be so stubborn, you are more open than most people, but please read what I actually told you. If you know something for sure, how can you be vigilant and keep experimenting, with the belief that you already know the answer? Its impossible man.

@winterknight Thanks for the answers! I will try doing this inquiry every single day from now on. Is there any other useful psychological field that might be worth looking into?

@winterknight You were recommending some books, which included Zen teachings of Bodhidharma and Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi - we have both of these in our local library actually, I will go read them asap! What is your recommended technique of meditation/yoga/contemplation? You were also talking about talking with a psychoanalytic if possible - I have friends who are really good psychologists and brain scientist, what should I ask them? How to get the most juice out of the conversation with them? (we are talking on today's evening)

That's is the thing that I am warning you from! You just belief the things that Leo says, if Leo doesn't say them, you have to ask, don't worship him dude... That's an ego trap. You can definitely learn from Leo, but don't use him as the only learning source. I thought about that and I was probably right, using your common sense doesn't mean looking it up on Leo's channel, try thinking about it for yourself - why would you not be charismatic? What does it even mean to be charismatic? Charisma on command is a useful channel, but be aware that he is not conscious of many things and his channel seems like a typical one, that is stuck in orange, those tricks are all fake, if you don't fix yourself, even by applying his advice, you're gonna be basically fake confident and charismatic. Most things will come naturally, as you become more conscious, sober and happy. It's good that you know, but don't really be so confident that you know something, as you can see, there are still things that you need to learn, many of them. You are on a good path, but stay vigilant, always.

@Elisabeth Yeh it was a joke haha. But I get you

@Elisabeth I am just stupid, never mind lol

I understand that you are new and kind of wanna know everything as perfectly as possible but... Maybe try using your common sense a bit more? If you think about your questions before asking them, you are gonna end up finding much more accurate answers and also much better questions. Other people CAN help you along the path. Maybe if you reach some super high state of consciousness, you wont need people for happiness, but if you dont achieve it before you go insane, its gonna be bad... Charisma and social skills are great, lacking them causes way too many problems and limitations.

@Ampresus Yeh, just trust the girl, condoms are useless anyways Why would you have sex with someone you dont trust in the first place?

It seems almost like everyone can create a thread similar to this and just copy paste from Leo's video and other teachers... Can you somehow prove that you arent just bulshitting us here? I have never heard an Enlightened being say about themselves that they are Enlightened...

@Annoynymous It took my around a year and a half. I understand its very hard and painful path, but when you finally overcome it, you will look back with a laughter. Try Katie Byron's techniques, they can really help! Also Leo's video help too, if you actually do the exercises and listen to him carefuly. It might not be like a sudden realization, but its worth the long and complicated journey.

Hey everyone, I had one of the greatest and most painful ego backlashes today! You might remember, that I was looking for some advice about SD tier 2 dating advice and considered myself yellow/green. This is gone now. I tried to contemplate it, but it had no results, except when I directly bumped into it. I like to talk about SD with friends who seem at least a little interested, I even started to build a community around it, even though I am starting to realize, that I need to grow myself more in order to do that effectively, even though its a great life purpose, that I might return to later. I might even find a better one on the way. Some of the people were telling me, that I am blue/orange person and that its actually quite normal and even good for a person in my age to be moving into orange, but after the examples that Leo showed me, I couldnt agree that I am in the same colour as Mr Krabs and moralizing priests, but I was still trying to think about it, never actually throwing this possibility away. I realized that I am probably brainwashed by all the compliments people are giving me. And then things started to happen, it was like the whole universe wanted to get me out of that ego trap. I started overusing Leos technique for getting rid of addictions, that it turned into an excuse for overeating, skipping meditation, skipping breathing exercises etc... I also started to listen to what people are saying less, because I always assumed that I have something to teach them, it was like prejudicing that they want to learn with me, even if they actually dont. Even though I remained quite open to the things that some of my addicted friends are telling me, I was essentially looking down on them. That was when I was speaking to my friend, who is really into partying, drinking, dating multiple boys at once etc... We were having quite a serious talk and she seemed very empathetic at that time, as she was trying to get something from me, and she also wanted to know, why do I seem so nerdy nowadays, so I told her about SD. She basically believes that it works, but she immidiately questioned me, when am I getting out of this narcissistic blue. I was like no way, this shit is completely non-sensical. After that, I kind of regretted that I told her about it, but it wasnt a big concern of mine, I was continuing with my „getting rid of addictions“ and „teaching“. I just felt like direct experience is the key to getting over something, but I couldnt say stop, when it was probably right to do so. I was also not considering the fact that my friends might have to live through some situation in their life in order to be willing to listen to me voluntarily. I just couldnt stand the idea that they are gonna stay in lower colours for the rest of their lives. Some people stopped hanging out with me, some got really interested actually, but more of them thought that I am a crazy narcissistic deep blue person. (because I dont seek pleasure probably) Some of them tried to indirectly tell me, that I should stop, but I dont udnerstand many things, especially indirect communication of the opposite sex, so I kept joking around it and being sarcastic, even though it wasnt funny for them at all. That was the first moment, when I realized that I might actually be egocentric and bossy. After that, when I got quite sick from the overeating problem, my dad, who doesnt eat particularly healthily, but he seems to be healthier than me for some reason, even though he drinks and smokes, asked me, whether I am planning to stop this circus anywhere soon. I answered that he doesnt see the big picture and I just wanna have some break from eating, because i feel like it. Then we were talking about diet and lifestyle basically, he is quite biased and blindly believes science, demonizes Leo and stuff, but he was right about the fact that he has always been supportive and I am just running around, trying out new things, so he has to adapt and that I should be more social and do some sport or exercise more. (I am 15, living dependently on my parents) That convinced me, that I am just as full of shit as he is. This was happening with multiple people every day and then I was talking about my being-consciousness experience, which sounds like a narcistic perspective for the people, who dont understand it - basically you love everything around you, including „yourself“. It was the same girl, who told me, that I was a narcissist, at that point, I was quite needy for help and she was willing to slap my ego hard. She told me, that the colours are fucking annoying and that I should wait for orange to come. When I thought about that, I discovered that I probably understand some yellow models, but I take them as the truth and that I am basically worshiping Leo and other teachers that I watch. I see beyond materialism, but I cannot afford to, I am still stuck in the lower stages of Maslows hierarchy and havent fully transcended most spiral stages, including beige level thinking, by which I mean diet and exercise. This means, that I probably am thinking in a blue/orange way and that I was basically inside of a paradigm the whole time, even though I had some very great results from the practises Leo gave me and my mood has increased immensely. This all might be a bit exagerated, and I am conscious that my friend is also biased by some orange beliefs, but... yeah, I have a lot to learn even from these people. I am probably not as narcissistic as some other people, but I used to be one and it probably still reflects in my behavior. This has hit me really hard and I am basically screwed, as I learnt, that I am not qualified to help others yet, even though I felt like building a community and my green values are irrelevant and unrealizable, until I grow myself more. So... my question is: How the hell do models work? Did I get it at least a bit more right, than the previous time? Are there any holes in what I am saying? Which things might be useful for me to learn about, in order to get rid of this problem? I will probably start taking things one by one, starting with diet, exercise, finally everyday meditation practise and relationships with my friends and family. (My parents are very supportive and understanding, but I still need to learn more about them. The relationships with friends arent as bad as I made it seem, I am still one of the more popular people, but I am just having a dark period now) I also need to find balance in life, especially between talking and listening in conversations and family and growth. Any other comments/suggestions?

@Equanimitize Thanks so much, I never got a hairy chest, so thats probably the man I was looking for.

Hey guys, I have finally fixed most of the things that were causing me the majority of the problems I had and now I wanna go back to improving my health, as I have been going on binges and stuff like that... What are the ACTUAL VALID resources like books, articles, podcasts to learn about health? Its sooo chaotic... I will probably convince my parents to buy me Leo's booklist so I can read that but I dont think its gonna be enough you know

You need to go to the middle one, instead of the left one...

@YoYoYo I cant believe you didnt do almost any inner work while doing all this haha

We love you Leo, its a pity you dont go to Europe I wouldve got you a great audience!

Leo is right, try taking on 1 or 2 only at the same time... Maybe you will still keep failing for few weeks, but it will be worth it

Pain by itself is obviously not good. Its a tool, the greatest people have suffered the most. If you handle your pain well, you are gonna become so mature and enthusiastic. Just contemplate it, why would you ever want to feel pain? Why would you ever crave for going to the past, when its impossible? Be a man... I used to be just like you, until my friends told me that its too much. I experienced the exact same thing. I hope these tips will help you become a better version of yourself!

@Serotoninluv I see... Thanks man, much appreciate that! The direct experience and self-experimentation is still crucial, even when I know this all at this young age... I am probably failing to understand that.

@Serotoninluv I actually thought that the transition is very logical, its obvious that true emotional mastery is impossible in the other stages... We basically do everything in order to be happy, even if we dont do anything, we do it to be happy. If Enlightenment meant endless suffering, why would we puruse it? (it cannot really be pursued, but... you know what I mean) Its just quite hard to distinguish very smart orange and yellow. If I am genuinely open and understand the systems and complexity of the world, how is that orange/green? I always saw these colours like self-biased and ideologostic... I am super lost now... I listen to many turquoise and yellow level teachings...