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@Identity Hahahaha I see... Actually it happens to me as well, when I don't feel like getting up in the morning to do 40 mins of zazen and yoga... I just have to jump out and do it, otherwise I end up doing all sorts of weird things

@Key Elements Yeh sure I am mainly curious about why does your opinion slightly change from others.

What do you mean? What is your full perspective then?

@Key Elements Didn't mean to do that, I just wanted to express my opinion I just saw you talking with Leo and Serotoninluv and your perspectives seemed to differ quite a lot.

@tsuki Honestly, I feel fear and anger when I look him into the eyes, they frighten me. @Key Elements It is really interesting how you seem to divide in opinions with the other mods. I feel like it is kind of dumb to say, that something is beyond the mind and then try to talk about it, argue about it, labeling it, conceptualizing it... To some extent it might be useful, sure, but I don't get Leo these days. He says, that he wants to transcend psychedelics and then goes on 13 trips, his mind could be addicted imo. I also think, that trying to push yourself into Infinity is like a fake intention. Whenever I try to desperately find a way to advance further, when I actually feel good, it just ends up in distracting me. I haven't done psychedelics, I wanna try Ayahuasca, but I still don't know what to think. I think that one might become too attached to them and then he becomes dependent on them to actually feel God.

@Identity Hey, it's good that you are aware of all this stuff. One cannot grow without mistakes. The most advanced people I know have suffered like so fucking much that most people probably can't even imagine being in such a situation. This might seem like bs, but today, even in rocket science for example, people cannot just send an object into the Universe linearly, without thinking too much, they have to program it with counter-intuitive pathings, use the gravity fields of the planets to make it go faster etc... I would suggest you to make some sort of order, some schedule. For example fix your sleep cycle, go to sleep at the same time everyday and meditate twice a day - before and after sleep. Just giving an example. Never skip a day! Social events are also very good, because you get an immediate feedback on your growth. I don't mean pick-up, but like everything. People can test your patience, pride, selfishness and you can become more aware of these things in you by interacting with many strangers, friends, family members. About the ego backlashes... I used to have like so many, now I still do, but I don't call them ego backlashes, because to me it sounds as if it was just some other self, that is making mess in my life and it was keeping me from taking full responsibility. These are actually pointers, that your practice is either really intense or that you are too proud of yourself. Also expect various brain changes, head aches to be happening, it is common. I also used to have nightmares, like 7 days in a row - school shooting, meeting a monster in a parking lot, all kinds of scary stuff. Try investigating on that stuff. For example, from one of my nightmares I learnt, that my life is very precious and that I don't want to waste it and then get shot you know... Hope this helps PS.: Who is going too hard?

@tsuki It's cool, sometimes I just take stuff too seriously and get confused, I also respect him a lot. I think Leo should learn from him.

Yeh, I kind of resonated with Osho, but now I think he was kinda poorly integrated in comparison with some other teachers... Is Ralston an actual sadist?

Don't fall into hipocrisy here. You might wish everyone to have less suffering, without first helping yourself. Even Leo is still basically helping himself.

@28 cm unbuffed Eating less meat helps me, also breath of fire. Sometimes I have to do it for 3 minutes to calm down

@Marinus You cannot grow without mistakes. Maybe you need to transcend pick-up, as it is making you attached to people.

This reminds me of this scene:

@Shin I'm glad to have you here bro

@ajasatya You always surprise me. How do you even help such a deeply unhappy person?

@okulele I hope it worked

@SunnyNewDay You first asked if it is possible to have an active sex life by going to nightclubs and then you say girls make you wait. You kind of answered yourself if you are telling the truth.

I think that the teacher should grow with the student, just as in any other subject.

Wait is there any explanation to how this works or is it just another real world magic kind of stuff?

What is the definition of correct for you?

He is a teacher. If a teacher is using complex language and no-one understands him, what kind of teacher is he?

Is it possible, that your vigilancy is keeping you away from real surrendering to God?

@Leo Gura How can you be sure, that you are not just trying to be more Enlightened than others, trying to be right in the conversations about God, rather than helping others reach God? (btw I am excited about your growth and I think you've done a lot of progress, I just wanna question.)

Good question Joseph I am excited to see everyone contemplating like this. 1) Physical health (nutrition, exercise, sleep...) 2) Mental health, working on your intellect (being more open-minded, chess, go, playing an instrument, languages...) 3) Spiritual development (meditation, yoga, psychedelics...) 4) Integrating spiritual experiences (The noble eightfold path, embodying zen, selflessness, overcoming fears...) 5) Career, contributing society through your passion 6) Finance 7) Family and friends 8) Intimate relationships 9) Practical stuff (technical skills, time management, cooking your own meals...) 10) Being a good karma for the environment (not contributing to violence, being eco-friendly, political interest...) I'm aware that all of these areas kind of interconnect (especially integrating mystical experiences and everything else ), but these are like some of the most broad areas I could think of, didn't really want to get into too much detail. But it is important to see the correlations, so I will describe what I mean. Physical health kind of contributes everything else, because it sets your body's limits. I can notice it in myself, that if I keep doing what I'm doing, I might run into some serious trouble. It just feels so much better not to eat sugar, dairy, bread etc... and it is like super hard to meditate, when you have diarrhoea or something I created this mental health + intellect area, because I think it is underestimated. Health, exercise and sleep is connected to this quite deeply, but I think, that it would benefit every one of us to sharpen their mind even more, become better at solving problems, to understand the world's situation better, be more immune to bs etc... I divided spiritual development and integrating spiritual experiences into two areas, because there are certain individuals who are just having profound states, without really understanding them, this is why intellect is also important, that you don't get so easily deluded. Career and contributing to society is kind of foreign to me, because I haven't worked in my life yet, but I already participate in some activities, that make my life better, such as working with children. (they are so authentic) Same with finance, I am kind of bad at maintaining my money, but I can already understand, why it is important to invest in myself etc... which is very crucial for life. I also divided family + friends and intimate relationships into two areas, because these are really different. It is definitely possible for someone to have amazing friends and family relationships, while having almost zero experience and confidence with women. Being clever is also very important, because it again contributes towards building your intellect, it makes you more independent, you become able to manage your time more efficiently, better at helping others and yourself. Being a good karma often gets overlooked, but it is necessary for our survival on this planet.

I honestly feel very similarly. I would say let's question this, but Leo could just say that this is totally beyond mind and beyond that which is beyond mind. It feels like: Go jump from that tall bauilding and 1 cm above ground, you'll realize, that the falling was just a dream and you will be absolutely ok. How can I trust, that I won't become totally crazy from dosing 5-MeO-DMT. It is like a strange loop that cannot be solved for me. From Leo's comments after his retreat, it feels to me as if he has grown a lot, but still I don't know what to think.

@NoSelfSelf I want to hear from you, not from Leo. You don't need to answer, just say it to yourself, the practices are crucial.