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@Tim R I understand your concerns. I think this thread is mostly meant for serious people. And definitely the guidelines I set can be disrespected in which case I will lock this thread.

@Zeroguy I did not want to attack Hulia. Just saying that not trying to talk about politics in an understanding way is counter-productive. Maybe that is what she also meant. @Tetcher Putin is bombing houses, which probably does force some people into a narrow strip. The war is still on-going. My friend does war photography there. There are still Ukrainian 18-year-olds throwing grenades and shooting Russians.

@Zeroguy I mean perhaps they vote and they do not have any issues with voting for someone who bombs civilians in Syria. And by expressing your judgement and fear of Arabs, you are subconsciously influencing others. The entire Western system kind of ignores and dehumanizes the Arab world, we do not really study it, many of us do not come into contact with them, we don't know their language or literature, our media has so many stereotypes about them. It is not a small thing, it has a fucking huge influence, so I think it is nice to at least take on the personal responsibility not to contribute to this systemic oppression by saying things like that. Perhaps if our system was not islamophobic, Trump and Biden would not have won and Bernie could have won. These are the implications, the change comes slow but it is worth to stand up for it.

@Insane butterfly Because the things that he judges and does not understand such as feminism, political correctness, communism, hierarchy and independence are important to understand and he is a good case study with a lot of material to look at. Also, many members of this forum sympathize with him or have a similar shadow like him, so it is in our best interest to study and try to deeply understand JP, rather than judging him or blindly trusting him. That being said, in my opinion, there are better intellectuals to study and there is a reason why Leo and I do not like JP that much as an influencer of the masses. It is just that because he influences the masses, we need to take him seriously in a way.

The problem of too much empathy I decided to analyze this video, because when I saw the title, I thought that most people have a lack of empathy and it is hard for me to imagine how somebody can have excess empathy. At the beginning, JP makes a good point that people vote their personalities more than they think. He describes how people are unable to objectively evaluate facts, partially because there are too many. (which however does not excuse the ignorance they have towards politics) This is why it is important to take politics seriously, because people do not and because of their selfish personalities, they influence the justice within a society in a negative way. As JP mentions, it is important to realize how our personalities work as a filtering mechanism of facts and how there in fact is no such thing as facts. A feminist looks at an issue differently than a misogynist for example, it is impossible to agree on what the facts are, but the general direction in which society behaves and develops can be improved towards more love and unity. JP points out that politically correct people are typical for having high agreeableness to which he has a surprised reaction at the same time. He also talks about how agreeableness helps us to stay in a relative peace, compassion and bondedness with each other. He says that agreeableness is connected to compassion and they are both important for taking care of kids, hurt people and those who cannot take care of themselves, but he also mentions that agreeableness is not good for building a political system upon. This is a typical example of JP creating a strawman of what political correctness is. Political correctness is the effort to avoid expressions or behaviors that exclude, insult or marginalize groups of people who are disadvantaged or discriminated against. This sounds like a good principal to build a society upon, diversity can lead to a better understanding, open-mindedness, uniqueness of knowledge, life-experience, skills etc. The opposite of political correctness is basically discrimination. What I find problematic is that JP replaces political correctness with agreeableness, which he often associates with women and nice guys, who he and his audience judge, and then criticizes it. Also note that JP as a white, straight North American probably doesn't face discrimination as often and political correctness does not benefit him as much, therefore his view on it is very likely biased. Then, JP makes a good point that a lot of impulsive compassion, being butt-hurt for other people, can destroy a person. It is true that certain form of non-attachment is needed in order to stay sane in this world. Perhaps not all people at the bottom are victims and not all people at the top are vicious snakes, but many are. Most people in this world live in poverty, many die from diseases they cannot afford to cure, many die in wars that are caused by xenophobia and hunger for power, many are denied the right for COVID vaccine because of vaccine nationalism etc. The way in which he belittles this reality and the way in which he is mostly coming from his western perspective and life experience is problematic. The world is not centered around West. Billions of people do not live in EU or North America. He judges people who in his eyes only feel and cannot think by presenting the word thinking as a virtue. However, people are inevitably stuck in their feeling, they cannot escape it, only focusing on thinking is a kind of denial. As I have already mentioned, JP is a hypocrite to talk about thinking as he does not take into account so many things, such as the oppressed and the things they go through, while thinking about this for himself. Again, this is most likely caused by him defending himself when being called out on being transphobic, misogynist etc. while being a straight white North American male who is not personally affected by these toxic views. (that also affect how a person votes, behaves in work environment, not just the way they speak) JP makes a good point that if somebody judges you for something you say and starts hating your entire persona for it, it is their issue. However, it has to be said that this is often not the case with many people who call others out on not being politically correct or who are feminists. They in fact do not start hating one's entire persona, it is their projection, because they are stuck in and defensive about their views. I also do not agree that one has to be a bastard in order to watch somebody learn how to be independent by struggling. This can be an expression of love, which JP probably understands. Seeing oppressed minorities struggle is not a way to make them more independent. In conclusion, when JP talks about dogmatic structures, he confuses two different ideas, from which first is making people independent by making them do stuff on their own and the other one is watching oppressed disadvantaged minorities who cannot support themselves because of toxic hierarchies struggle.

Some definitions of words which might be useful for you guys, read through them carefully for extra insights. Do not use a word or judge somebody's opinion if you are not sure what they mean: (Feel free to mention and use other definitions that you find interesting or eye-opening!) feminism - the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes (all sexes, male, female, intersex, trans-sex etc.) political correctness - the avoidance of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against discrimination - the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, sex, or disability fascism - a form of far-right, authoritarian ultra-nationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy nazism - extreme racist or authoritarian views or behavior elitism - the dominance of a society or system by an elite conservatism - commitment to traditional values and ideas with opposition to change or innovation communism - a theory or system of social organization in which all property is owned by the community and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs; absence of those notions of class that lead to systemic, hierarchical oppression socialism - a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole liberalism - willingness to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own; openness to new ideas; a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise. equality - the state of being equal, especially in status, rights, or opportunities status - position or rank in relation to others the status of a father; relative rank in a hierarchy of prestige - especially high prestige; the condition of a person or thing in the eyes of the law (note that status can affect people legally as well and in very unfair ways, it is not just about serotonin - people are born with an unequal status); state or condition with respect to circumstances oppression - prolonged cruel or unjust treatment or exercise of authority (related to hierarchy) hierarchy - a system in which members of an organization or society are ranked according to relative status or authority power - the ability or capacity to do something or act in a particular way without being stopped patriarchy - a system of society or government in which men hold the power and women are largely excluded from it Note: One cannot truly be communist (evaluate everybody's needs, equality, equity etc.) while simultaneously being a nazi, fascist, xenophobic, homophobic, transphobic or elitist, which the Soviet, Russian and Chinese regimes are/were. Communism requires a higher spiral development, which is an idea that Jordan Peterson does not understand. This is also one of the points in Leo's video that is mentioned above.

@Zeroguy This sounds almost xenophobic. It is not like all Arabs want to kill Israelis. Politics is a serious thing, nothing to screw. @Hulia It is interesting and really possible. People just need to stop caring about petty survival stuff and get real on what really matters and try to understand each other. But most people are too close-minded to do that, they have to actually open up and give up some of their solid stances. @DocWatts Nivsch is Israeli I think.

@Roy I would argue that Russia is not communist almost at all

@Tobia I think not caring about human rights is actually stage Red. As stage Blue is a reaction to chaotic warlords constantly fighting and it tries to estabilish order, for example by introducing human rights. The extent to which carelessness about the human rights of certain nations that typically are outside Europe and North America (the most powerful countries in terms of multiple power hierarchies) is horrible. Biden clearly dehumanizes Palestinians by saying this, since while it is undeniable that Israelis are dying because of Palestinian terrorist groups for example, Palestinians are also people and many of the terrorists are born into being terrorists and brainwashed, just like Americans are brainwashed by West-centric education that overlooks the East and South to dehumanize Palestinians. @Nivsch It is very interesting to have somebody from Israel on this thread, multi-culturalism and expression of various opinions should be more encouraged on this forum. Could you explain more about the left wing in Israel?

Read literature from around the world, from Africa, South East Asia, India, South America... There are plenty, just google for some famous titles that might be available. Don't be afraid of them being primitive as the education system and media portrays them to be, they are good.

I know there once used to be an active user on this forum from Germany, who mentioned that he was taken to a psychiatric hospital for talking about his mystical states. This was not even one of the hardcore psychedelic users kind of guys who posted while high, no. This was a sober seeker. I hope that mystical experiences get destigmatized in this way, I remember being afraid of talking about my own insights at the beginning, because I was afraid of being hospitalized. It is true that many psychiatric drugs are addictive, they are super expensive, people often cannot afford them. And then they become addicted to them and they are doomed. The drugs are also not as effective, they do not work in the majority of cases. Precision psychiatry is the next step, and psychedelic therapy. Some people are discussing the possible benefits and unique traits of "mentally ill", which is interesting.

@TheDao You generalizing what feminist means is the same as what your notion of feminist (which I do not really even consider feminist) generalizing what men means. Feminist isn't one thing, there are so many branches. Also all men don't rape and hit their family, right. Same thing. You are doing the same thing you hate about others. I have always been told by my teachers in schools, when I was a kid and vulnerable, that boys are raped too, I guess I had very good teachers. But I see where you are coming from. Rape is so common these days in men and women both. So talk about that, there is nothing wrong, it cannot be denied that it happens. People who deny that are not fighting for equality, they are not properly feminist. Do you get it? But outside Europe, where you do not live, the situation is much worse for women. And outside Europe means most of the population, do you get it, how privileged you are? I didn't say you get butt hurt for going to war, you imagined me saying that. I said you get butt hurt by a "feminist" yelling at you. I don't consider that being butt hurt. I see what you mean. But like the people who are politicians and billionaires, those who make it so that you are a slave of capitalism who needs to go to a 9-5 job, these are mostly men. And again, it might be because of patriarchy and these men might suffer. But like do you see how the female perspective is lacking in leadership?

@TheDao Father role is underappreciated only by some extreme female incels who are butt hurt by men or seriously traumatized. These I do not consider feminists, they sure are sad and have their issues, but they are not fighting for equality of the sexes. Real feminists acknowledge the importance of having a good father figure, as not having ones can create people such as Donald Trump. Patriarchy does not mean that men are bad, it means that there are certain expectations imposed upon men that teach them to be toxic masculine from a very young age and certain privileges that are very appearant in 3rd world countries, less so in the West. It is just that you being butt hurt by feminists is much less serious than a woman being physically unable to protect herself from a man who stabs her on a street while people silently watch her die. The same can happen to a man, but that does not mean that fighting for this to happen less to women is wrong.

@TheDao Perhaps you could think of what women refer to as toxic patriarchy as something that imposes expectations upon men, creating oftentimes either suffering weaklings or abusive fathers and leaders from them. Do you resonate with this? Men are also victims of patriarchy.

@StarStruck Them belittling male rape victims is very horrible, you are right on that, don't stop speaking up for this But they also want you not to belittle female victims who are raped and murdered all around the world. Isn't it common sense?

@AlwaysJoggin Yeah that was also a mistake from your side though. I mean, she told you not to... Ended up enjoying it, but she told you not to. You have to respect that. You never know how people feel or what they have been through, this is not proper consent. How does it happen that you just slip in if you didn't even have foreplay and she is probably not so wet? I am confused. Maybe you also didn't feel comfortable eating her out, I don't know... But yeh you both did some mistakes and she is manipulative, which I can understand why she might be. Just learn from this and move on.

@TheDao I wasn't talking about 3rd way of feminism, I was talking about feminism in 3rd world countries. In US and EU the gender gap is far less than in most countries (most countries are poor by the way if you did not know). If you look at how serious that is, you might actually start sympathizing. I am not denying men's issues, they directly affect me. But like the word feminism is so broad, there will be feminists who body shame men, who belittle suicide and shit, and those are not feminists imo, they don't understand equality. But like also understand that just like so many men hate women because "they have been rejected", so many women hate men (they also generalize), because they raped them. And of course women rape and women rape men! The number is much less, but like sure, the statistics do not justify the individual cases, right, it is subjective trauma and damage still, even if it is less common. But like from the POV of somebody who is traumatized by men, it is very hard to open up to something like men's rights advocates. Just like it it super hard for you to understand some ways in which feminism manifests.

Day after my birthday, on the 15th of April, I was sitting at a laptop and listening to a speech of our head of college - she was announcing that we will all have to return to our home countries a month earlier, because of exams being cancelled and the increasingly worse pandemic situation in India. It was a very sad moment, since I thought there was still so much more left for me to explore and discover on campus and in India, yet the opportunity was not there for me anymore. (only next academic year) I am now sitting back inside my house in Czechia and I feel the need to self-reflect on what happened, since there were many big moments of growth and value awakenings for me. The school got me to reconnect with my creativity and imagination. Since the faculty and students at the school were not as hierarchically different at our school and we were not meant to be polite, there was more confidence in people overall and less fear of judgement. In my opinion, that's a great environment for creativity to develop. Also, my theater teacher was so amazing and he showed us a theater company called Complicité, (which means completely in sync in French) which happened to be very spiritual and made me have psychedelic state vibes in classes. All of this inteconnected my mind so much, made me more connected to others, better at collaboration and much other fancy stuff. I also started valuing art much more. My literature teacher showed me how well art can be used for education and spiral development if one reads fiction books that present very different perspectives. (for me this was non-western books from the Middle East, Africa, Japan and India) Being the only white person in class with all these people constantly calling me out on subtle and less subtle racial and other biases got me to go very deeply into exploring green and basically social justice in general. By being in this class and also by seeing the amount of poverty I saw in Mumbai, Delhi and Pune, I realized my privilege as a white person and more deeply realized how much devilry there is in the people who are world leaders, as well as how important it is to educate the future generations about this, because they might become the next world leader. And art can be a great tool for doing that. My view on feminism also changed drastically. Before, I saw feminists as privileged white women who complain about petty things. Now, I realize how serious gender issues are in the world for both men and women and how everybody is in one way or the other a victim of patriarchical society and its expectations and values. I started reading an Indian feminist book, which I would never consider doing before, I would probably say to myself that it is useless. I am also making many notes on it, which really helps me to cure my insecurities about girls calling me out. Being in my first healthy relationship (with a girl of colour) who always explained some social justice stuff to me when I was triggered or angry or misunderstanding also helped a lot and I think that working on my insecurities in this way made me happier, more developed in life and also able to have a healthy relationship with a girl finally after all these years. Key statement: a feminist is by definition also a humanist. Realizing my own privilege is also connected to what I realized in philosophy class, where we talked a lot about consciousness, life and what it means to be human. I realized how much every single life matters, not just black lives of white lives or animal lives, but literally all lives. I stopped believing things such as that my family is more important than other people or other biases. I feel more responsibility to be politically and environmentally conscious and to align my life purpose with helping and educating others about the value of life.

Did you also eat her or finger her before going inside? I mean it can be hard to stay hard doing that but perhaps you can switch once or twice, until she orgasms and then go. She might be traumatized and need some understanding from others to heal but yeh, probably not a girlfriend for you.

For me the best thing for becoming more feminist was to read more feminist, non-western books and travel to India. Perhaps you are triggered by entitled privileged white women who get angry at you when you pay for their food, because they start thinking you are denying their financial independence by doing that. That can be incredibly annoying, especially if you would personally enjoy people to pay for your food, so you do it for them, but they blame you. By reading some non-western feminist books, fiction and non-fiction, (does not really matter, since you can deduce the global issues from the plot of the fiction as well as the non-fiction) you introduce yourself to the environment where the gender inequality is much more serious, for example the Middle East, India, Africa etc... You might realize then how serious the gender issues are, how much worse off a woman is in India, or Africa or the Middle East than the average guy, how more dangerous it is to be a woman, how you cannot even go out etc... And after that you might become more sensitive and understanding of why feminism exists. The gender issues might not be as easily visible in Europe or North America, but they are fucking real. The second thing was travel, which is kind of irrelevant now, but it was also a very strong stimulus. When I was travelling by a cab in Mumbai with a friend, it was nighttime and I saw this huge slum on my left and all these suspicious people walking around, like I was so fucking scared, even though I was a guy and I was inside a car. Mumbai is probably one of the most dangerous places on Earth to be a woman, New Delhi is the most dangerous one, it is called the "rape capital" by some people. That just got me to realize how lucky I am to be a guy and to not be a part of that huge rape statistic. But hey, guys also get raped, guys also are treated unequally, they commit suicide more often than girls do, (even though girls have more failed attempts than guys) there are so many unhealthy societal expectations imposed on guys, their self-worth is often defined by how much sex they have and nothing else etc... There are so many problems. Plus gender is a social construct and this binary division is problematic and offensive. If you resonate with this, look at one of the definition of feminism: "the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes." Equality of the sexes, you see, not supremacy of one or more. It is called feminism, because it advocates for the female perspective which guys sometimes don't understand in terms of gender equality. I assume there is something that advocates for the male perspective too that females don't get and also LGBTQI+ which advocates for the queer perspective which straight people often don't get. Feminism is not there to smash patriarchy and kill guys and cut off their penises. People who think that are not feminists, they are just committing misandry, and that is not nice. (but you must sometimes understand that that is the female version of incel and you might have been an incel yourself in the past so there is that...) Anybody who is a feminist is also a humanist. <3

Everyone is delusional to some extent, but Leo Gura is not building a cult, you can stop watching his videos and using this forum any time you want, he will not try to manipulate you into watching his content, although people can get addicted to it.

I would say this is the case with each and every relationship, don't you think. There are no two people who are absolutely the same or completely different. There will always be opposites and similarities. What point are you actually trying to make?

Just have a conversation with them. I don't think making racist jokes is always a sign of being racist. Sure, it can offend somebody, but if you make these jokes when nobody else hears them and it is clear that the other person is not racist? I agree with what flowboy said. But then again, just talk to them about it, try to understand where they are coming from. For example they might be from a racially homogenous background wher racist jokes almost never offend anyone and everybody makes them, they are normalized. (although the people who make them might not be racist) That friend might not know from experience that this can be a problem, do you understand what I am trying to communicate? I think racism, homophobia and any sort of discrimination comes from lack of exposure. What my girlfriend did with her mum was that she told her to go hitchhiking with a lesbian (her mum used to be homophobic) and she actually did it and changed her mind.

I guess your own feeling, the feeling of the other person and whether you are both on the same page about what is happening.

It can happen sometimes that you start liking something or someone you wouldn't have thought you could ever like, but it feels nice and there is no reason why you should judge yourself for it.