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I doubt it. You seem pretty closed off to the possibility that the "misinformation" you speak of is actually misinformation and harmful. Why waste time convincing you otherwise?

@machinegun Obviously I don't know Leo personally, but I've watched hundreds of hours of his videos and interacted with him on this forum. There is absolutely no way he is at stage orange or below. I'd put him at stage yellow or turquoise.

@machinegun Cities tend to be at higher stages than the countryside. London has some of the highest levels of stage green in the country.

And yet you feel you are capable of understanding it?

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Yes, that's what I was wondering. If you develop highly valued skills that companies want and will pay you well for them, and you enjoy the work then is it still wage slavery? Or is it still wage slavery because you must turn up for work at certain hours, follow your boss's orders, and comply with certain rules? Or maybe it's a relative notion? From one extreme you have someone picking crops in a field for very little money, to another extreme, somebody has enough capital to be financially free and able to pursue their passions on their own terms. Then you have everything inbetween.

@Synnergy Are you a libertarian? If so then censoring will trigger you. You underestimate how easily a forum can descend into chaos without moderation and rules. If all the rules and moderation were canceled tomorrow then this forum will cease to be a place of actualization, and will quickly become a toxic mess. I really don't think conservatism is banned as such. The core basis of conservatism is low taxes, low regulation, small government, less welfare, and so on. I'm sure you'd have no issues discussing these issues, and as a liberal, I can certainly see some pros in some conservative beliefs.

The videos look like wind to me. I couldn't confirm nor deny if telekinesis is possible, however.

This is an interesting point. So my position is that I do have enough capital to leave my job, I'd probably be able to survive for several years on zero income in fact. But I wouldn't be able to survive forever. To what extent am I a wage slave in this scenario?

@mandyjw That's a great perspective, thank you. Yes, there are many business owners that end up working for under minimum wage. They become a slave to their business, without even having employee rights.

I've spent significant time in China and dated many Chinese women, so I have a better understanding of their culture than most westerners. The Chinese are a practical people, and they question their government more than it might first appear. When I spoke to people there they had a range of different political positions, much like the west. But as a whole they do have great respect for authority and the government is popular. What government wouldn't be popular after 40 years nonstop economic growth and development? The main political divide is between 1) the ultra nationalists. These are most similar to fundamental christians in the US. They are stage blue. 2) the political apathetic. These people generally go about their lives without discussing or getting involved in politics. They're comfortable with their government and understand the practicalities, but they find some of the more controlling aspects like internet censorship to be frustrating. These people are stage orange, and most similar to moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats. China has nothing similar to the more left wing Democrats, because that's stage green and very few people in China are at that level. Those who do reach stage green typically leave the country, because they feel alienated in their own country and find they resonate with many liberals in western countries. It's relatively easy for them to leave too, because most of the ones who reach stage green are very well educated and have studied abroad. So that's China in a nutshell. I have great respect for them though, they're a very hard working people. Lots of discipline and well educated. I don't like living there because their government is overly controlling for my liking, but I understand the necessity of it relative to their level of development and culture.

Sounds like he's stuck in rationality and materialism, I know the types. They seem open minded at first, but they're only open to ideas that are grounded in rationality and materialism. If I were you I would accept him for how he is, but gently guide him towards spirituality. Don't force anything on him, and don't expect him to change because most likely he will not. Don't waste your time in any debates.

Vaccines are only one way to control cases, the other is to put in restrictions and lockdowns. As countries reach high levels of vaccination they are removing restrictions, which is why cases are increasing in some countries. However, the link between cases, hospitalisations, and death are greatly reduced in higher vaccinated populations. For example, check out the data for my country (the UK). We are at similar case levels to early 2021, but we're seeing less than 100 deaths per day on average, as opposed to over 1,000 deaths per day in early 2021.

@WaterDroplet--00 My dad is similar. I keep my distance, even if it's your parents it doesn't serve you to spend too much time with them. What they are doing is ignorant and selfish.

@Radu97 My father is also toxic in various ways. I haven't cut him completely from my life, but I keep my distance. Recently I messaged him just to see how he is doing. Got into the subject of me having had a covid vaccine, and he completely flew off the handle. Bombarded me with conspiracy videos, and talked about how I won't ever understand the "freedom" he had in his day. Said he's sickened that I've put poison in my body. Anyway, the point is my father doesn't seem to be quite as bad as your mother, yet I still keep a big distance because I know spending too long around him would fill my life with negativity. I would advise keeping a distance, if you are able to support yourself financially. You don't have to remove her entirely from your life, just keep the communication to a minimum and on your terms.

For a community supposedly aimed at self development and awakening, I'm shocked at the ignorance and stupidity in this thread. The evidence is there that 1) the pandemic is real, and 2) that vaccines are safe and effective. If you believe otherwise then I'm afraid you're a complete moron (sorry). Try reading some research papers, or journals. I know it's a lot more mentally challenging than getting your facts from social media, but you might gain some insights.

Other restrictions to freedom in society: murder banned, rape banned, smoking in a public place banned, bribing banned, assaulting someone banned, owning a gun banned (in the UK)... The fallacy of libertarians is their belief that freedom always equals good. In almost all jurisdictions you will either be required to get a vaccine or at the very least you will lose certain freedoms and privileges by choosing to not get vaccinated.

Here in the UK, we are in a different position to the US. Our vaccine programme was quicker than the US, and we have a much higher uptake of vaccines. We also have a slightly different vaccine mix to the US. Because of the fast vaccine programme we have been quicker to remove restrictions. In England we now have essentially no restrictions at all: not even social distancing or face mask rules. The only significant restrictions are on travel abroad, and the requirement to self isolate if we test positive or are in close contact with a case. This is a recipe for the virus to spread rapidly in a highly vaccinated population. For example, we have 95% uptake in vulnerable people and over 50s. This is why in England, we have a lot of vaccinated people in hospital because 1) case rates are extremely high, 2) most people are fully vaccinated, especially in more vulnerable people, and 3) the vaccines are not 100% effective, albeit still extremely effective. The US is a bit more polarised politically, so you have one side (democrats) who are much more compliant with the rules, and much more likely to get the vaccine, then you have the other side (republicans) who are much more likely to ignore the rules and not get vaccinated. The US is so divided that these groups almost never come into contact with each other. Hence 2 different pandemics amongst vaccinated and non vaccinated people.

Let's be real, we're probably being pulled back to our society's equilibrium. I don't know about others, but for me, it's mostly around making money and securing financial independence. I still think libertarianism is silly, vote left wing, trying to reduce my climate footprint, etc

Before the pandemic I was centred around low yellow/high green. I was in a good place with good habits on meditation, diet, excercise, sleep, etc. Since the pandemic I seem to be spending far too long in stage orange. I've been obsessing over saving and investing money incase the worst happens. I live in a high income country (UK), so there's no danger of starvation or anything like that and I've managed to keep my job. Still, I've been fully focused on attaining financial independence to the detriment of my previous good habits of meditation, diet, excercise, and sleep. My theory is that I hadn't fully embodied certain aspects of orange, which I needed to revisit. The pandemic, and fear of economic uncertainty was the trigger that caused an unhealthy regression into stage orange. I also experienced some low level green, which I had thought I was above previously. For example, I started criticising and judging people at lower spiral levels when they didn't wear face masks, follow social distancing, or having a general disregard for covid rules. I would put my regression, therefore, at high orange/low green as opposed to high green/low yellow previously. Roughly a 1 stage regression. I'm wondering if anyone has experienced anything similar or has some thoughts about this? Is it normal to regress in times of crisis?

@HereToLearn Probably best to start a new thread mate, or check if a similar thing has been posted before. @L-H-Z I agree with everyone else, your best bet is to leave the country. What's amazing, in this situation, is how much you've managed to develop yourself in such an environment. The fact you've looked outside your culture to higher levels of being should be applauded.

@Leo Gura Yes, I believe I may have failed to fully embody the lower stages. I just watched your talk with Charlie and the reference to you being pissed with your dentist really hit home to me the importance and value of the lower stages in specific circumstances.

After posting this, I realised that my very act of observing and reflecting on my spiral stage is a very yellow thing to do. Perhaps that can bring hope that my regression is temporary, and on a certain intellectual level I still operate at yellow.

First of all, the Daily Mail is a very low grade newspaper. Take it with a pinch of salt, they are a tabloid and exaggerate everything. Secondly, the US and China are engaged in a "war" to decide who becomes the dominant power on earth. This always occurs when a rising power threatens the existing power, Ray Dalio's "The Changing World Order" illustrates this very well. Assuming you are from the US, or a US ally, you probably find this threatening because a dominant China may result in global rules that are different to the rules you are accustomed to under the current US led order.

Leo's personality is actually very masculine in nature. Direct, never losing frame, not giving a shit what other people think. Masculine love tends to be harsh and challenging because that is what you need to hear to grow.