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Only because of their extremely large population. What matters is the living standards for the average citizen. They can easily have a period of being at number 1, but experience stagnant or declining living standards for most people with widening wealth gaps. This is what's happened in the US for the past 50 years, hence the extreme political polarisation in the US today.

The "success" part of stage orange and stage yellow is radically different. Stage yellow types are seeking to maximise their potential as a human being. Stage orange just wants money, sex, status. Stage orange will buy useless crap like designer clothes, fancy cars, etc. Stage yellow is usually less materialistic, and more minimalistic.

@Etherial Cat In Leo's latest video he mentions that getting rich quick doesn't work if your castle is built on pillars of sand, maybe this is what he means.

Hahaha, sorry forgot to put a link to my investing course, which (of course) is discounted 99% today only

They actually DO have a mandate. Most Chinese people either support their government or are apathetic to politics. Their government has given them 40 years of economic prosperity, why would anybody oppose them? This is probably why the last significant protest in mainland China was about 40 years ago. You are right about the economy though, one day the boom will end and they will have worse economic times as always happens in every civilisation. This is the time when revolutions happen, but I'd give them another 20 - 40 years before that happens. Increasing levels of stage orange, plus bad economic times, plus a motivated youth, could be the right combination for a revolution. Because China is large and powerful, and Korea is not. Western people, especially Americans, find China threatening as they're potentially going to supersede them as the global power. The global superpower doesn't have to have the most developed people, however, otherwise, Scandinavia would rule the world.

The stage blue people in China, which is most people, will probably think this is sensible. The stage orange people, mostly younger people in cities, may feel it's a bit silly, but I can't imagine they'd be overly bothered to make a fuss. For those in the US and Europe, you could think of China today like the US and Europe 100-200 years ago. If video games existed back then I could imagine the government implementing similar restrictions alongside the ethics of Christianity.

Have you heard of the 4% rule? Supposedly, if your capital is invested sensibly and diversified, you can withdraw 4% per annum safely without affecting the capital long term. In other words, work out how much money you need to live per year and times that by 25 - that's how much capital you need to feel secure. There's still risk. There could be a war, an economic depression, a revolution, or big tax changes such as wealth taxes. That's why it's important to be well diversified across different asset classes and countries.

I just watched Biden's speech regarding the Kabul airport attacks today. I noticed he said the following: "We will not forgive. We will not forget. We will hunt you down and make you pay." I wasn't sure what to make of it from a spiral dynamics perspective. Is he regressing down the spiral, because of the emotion of the event? It sounds very stage red to me. Or is it a healthy and appropriate use of stage red in self-defence? I'm a Brit, so I won't know Joe Biden as well as many Americans, but I always thought of him as more compassionate and empathetic than that... Or maybe it would just be political suicide to say on live TV: "I forgive the terrorists".

No problem. I may go back one day, I just find their culture fascinating. Yes, although China does compensate for that by implementing capital controls, banning dual citizenship, or instilling "Xi Jingping Thought" into the education system. Basically their reaction to it is more authoritarianism, which is funny because if they just became a democracy with human rights, rule of law, and more freedoms, then more people would be attracted to live there.

I subscribe to his channel, but I realised over time that he has a heavily skewed right wing bias. A lot of his beliefs, whilst interesting, are a complete misunderstanding of the left. He raises some good points in both videos, but imo it's far too negative. He underestimates man's ingenuity to fix problems.

Dating is up to you, nobody can know your individual preferences. I'm comfortably single right now, because I'm prioritising other things in my life, but I may seek a partner later.

Happy birthday!

Well said. @Synnergy All cultures believe they are superior to all others, whether morally or on any other criteria. It takes relatively conscious people to realise this is not the case.

Never had a problem with him at all. You must recognise in all relationships, are you the student, are you the teacher, or are you of equal competence? In the context of what we're discussing on this forum, I consider myself as the student and Leo as the teacher. He's literally put in thousands of hours of work on this stuff, and I have not, who am I to debate him or tell him he is wrong?

@Leo Gura Where would you place Biden on the spiral? You've said a lot about Trump's ego development, but less about Biden, so I would be curious to know your thoughts. Does he basically have to act in a manner that is lower than his own ego development, in order to appeal to voters at lower stages? @PlayOnWords Yes, I noticed when I've met red people that they will actually act very macho and intimidating, and if you don't act equally as tough back then they won't respect you.

These sorts of polls are challenging. You can ask people their opinion, but it will never replicate how people would vote in an actual election after months of campaigning.

@Synnergy My point wasn't to argue that either system is better or worse, or that China has a preferable system. My point was that Western values are subjective based on culture and ego. They are not truth.

@lardplanet You misunderstand what freedom is.

Absolutely. I'd say I have a lot of yellow, but I occasionally get drawn into silly debates with conservatives which makes me think I still have a lot of green in me.

All those things are also true of China. Does China meet your 4 criteria? In-fact living in China is what destroyed my worldview that western values were universal values. That realisation caused an existential crisis. Your ego doesn't want an existential crisis, so you'll take the path of least resistance and assume what you're saying is objectively true, which of course it is not and cannot be so. Of course, we can argue in a subjective relative sense regarding what sort of society we believe is preferable, but there is no truth there.

History is full of examples of highly conscious people being "punished" by low conscious people, so that wouldn't exactly be surprising.

Before I clicked this thread I was thinking along the same lines + guns. The gun stereotype comes from a Brit's perspective though.

@Globalcollective My manager is the CEO

Recently I've been thinking about the direction I want my life to take. I live in the UK, I am 29, and I work a job on an average British wage. The money side is fine. I'd like to earn perhaps double the average wage, around £70,000 or $100,000, but any more than this and I don't think it would bring any further happiness or fulfillment. I'm a bit of a minimalist and I rarely manage to spend my entire monthly wage even now. The real question is about life purpose. My passion is in economics and finance, but most of this industry is at a stage orange level. My idea is to create an online learning platform for conscious capitalism appealing to stage green types. However, I also want to gain some employee skills too, as a backup if the business fails. For example, if I trained as a financial analyst and I was happy in that job, would I still be a wage slave? Is there any scope at all to living a fulfilling life and being an employee? Should I put all my energy into the business idea, even with the risks of failure?

Yes exactly! Same as for me. I have resigned, my last day is end of year. If I get a job then great, if not I figure I need some time to work on myself anyway Good luck on your search.