EternalForest

There's nothing more I want in the world than a genuine female friend, believe me. It may be hard to believe based on our argument here but its true. I love my male friends with all my heart, but I'd do anything just to have a girl I could hang out with, go to the coffee shop, listen to music... It's something I've never experienced. As for your question about gender dynamics, talk to older women about it, as I have. They'll explain it in better detail than I could. If you give me more time I could explain it all myself, but they actually lived through the 20th cenutry. Regarding the world leaders, it's honestly a lifestyle choice for me. I choose to see the good in people and learn from them so I can be successful one day too. And I'll do it without "shitting on people" "sending people to wars" "playing with people's lives" or "blaming everything on women".

I didn't expect you to agree, but thanks for understanding. I could have worded what I said with more nuance. This topic brings out the worst in me, so I wasn't trying to be brash. I was only being honest about my feelings.

A drug dealer on the street has a better chance of getting laid than an awkward gym rat. So I don't buy the whole "work on yourself to get laid" thing, sorry.

1. I have no in-person relationships with women. 2. They exist because of the current gender dynamics. For them to not exist, society would have to go back to the gender dynamics that actually worked in the past. 3. Everyone in power is corrupt to some degree. I prefer to focus on our leaders' good qualities.

Actually, I've been told by most of the girls I've been in long distance/online relationships with and the many in-person male friends in my life that I'm very emotionally sensitive for a man. I'm very emotional and on top of that I'm an INFP or INTP. In theory, I should get along better with women (if they are supposed to be more emotionally advanced) but in practice I do not. Regarding the incel and red pill, you should ask yourself why those exist instead of framing everyone who even uses "rhetoric" adjacent to them. Leo himself says in several of his videos that these movements, including MGTOW make a lot of good points that get drowned out by the actions of a few terrible men who use the same ideological label. Men in power are irrelavent to me. I don't benefit from any of their profits or social status. Just because Queen Elizabeth was one of the most powerful women in the world doesn't mean that 90% of women weren't oppressed during her time in power.

Thank you, and thanks for understanding. A lot of men's problems are self-created but a lot of them are also circumstantial out of our control and we're socially stigmatized from speaking out, the same way women are for certain things... So empathy from women like you honestly means the world.

Are you serious? If anything, you see ME as a machine if you think jacking off alone will make me happy. What the fuck? Jacking off is a dopamine hit at best, it doesn't truly satisfy the soul. I mean, masturbation isn't even in the same CATEGORY as intimate sex with someone who loves you. And are you really pulling the "natural selection" card and saying some men are meant to die virgins? I've never had sex at all, let alone with someone who loves me, and for that I feel like I'm missing out on something huge. I could masturbate everyday for the rest of my life and it still won't fill the void. So what I truly want isn't sex, it's a deep, fulfilling relationship. You're wrong about me, Lila.

I don't think you understand that sex and intimacy is a basic human need and millions of men are being denied that because of hypergamy. It's you who is being insulting to the male gender. And btw, not saying he's a saint, but Elon Musk has done more for the world than the average woman ever will. No need to stigmatize men who look up to the literal richest man in the world.

You'd like this song:

Women can smell my fear within microseconds? No wonder I suck at pickup! Maybe I can find a woman who is attracted to fear! 😂

I've got pretty high testosterone and I'm still terrified of women lol. It's not logical.

Masculine men speak like MEN. Yet a man cannot talk to a woman like a man and succeed. I can say this from experience as a masculine man, trying to talk and build relationships with dozens of women, at the end of the day I'm always called a heartless robot or "boring". Despite the fact I talk to men and women the same for potential friendships (and with women, even potential relationships). With men, without even trying, I make small talk which leads to a full conversation. While with women, despite my hardest efforts, I get no engagement. But I guarantee you if I made myself more feminine with those same girls, things would be different. Because in my experience, women only respond to feminine energy, from men and otherwise. The problem is, I am not capable of supplying them with said energy, despite the fact I'm a creative person myself and I'm very emotional on the inside, not the outside. Why? Is it a flaw with my personality or myself? I don't know if I'd say that, because I have so many loyal male friends who love and care about me, let me talk about anything, give me a ride when I'm stranded, pick up the tab when I'm short on money, talk to me for 3-6 hours about even the most "frivolous" or "childish" topics, and allow me to be unfiltered. These are not shallow or childish relationships, they are true brotherly bonds. And I'm allowed to be myself around them, fully. In contrast, if I talk to a woman long enough, there's a guaranteed chance that I will offend her and she will stop talking to me. A masculine man by himself, I believe, is actually repulsive to women. When a woman sees a masculine man, really sees him: His love of games is seen as childish. His passion for fighting or hunting will be seen as violent (or Stage Red around these parts) His bluntness is seen as rude. His logic is seen as cold. His verbal passion for his car comes off as boring. His encyclopedic knowledge about sports comes off as frivolous. His passion for chess comes off as nerdy. His passion for old school values comes off as obsolete. His lack of emotion comes off as robotic. So it really bugs me when I see dating advice online that says things like "just talk to women like normal people" or "just be yourself". That's all bullshit to me. Now I don't believe women should respond to something they don't like, and I also don't believe men should change themselves for someone, when those same traits work well for a dozen other people. So men like me are at a stalemate. Thoughts?

I don't think the apps have changed much since the 2010s. In the 90s and 2000s however, I think there was more of a purity with dating sites. Sure, most people saw it as unusual but the people on there were genuinely trying to find someone. Now that everyone is on there, and since most aren't serious, it dillutes the dating pool. And like you said, since the sites are so popular and profit driven these days, they charge you to see every little message and like.

Well I can already tell you this is false because my friend works at a grocery store and gets girls all the time. Because they like him. Not his money, him. And a lot of those girls also work at the grocery store, or fairly close by...

Not at all.

Also, I have plenty of creative and positive outlets. I spend most of my days hanging out with friends, making music, going on walks and enjoying life. But I have rejoined dating apps this week. We'll see what happens.

If you read her last post, Emerald is convinced I dislike women, when I've suggested nothing of the sort. In reality, I'm desperate to connect with them and I'm frustrated that I can't. I don't see it as either of out "faults" really, it's simply a disconnect. Anyways, I've spent a lot of time around women but virtually zero time being intimate with women in meaningful ways, that's the issue. They don't let me get that close. But men do. That's why I'm starting to entertain the possibility that I'm simply a man with a personality that appeals to men but does not appeal to women.

Yes I do, very much so. But I don't know what to do. Nothing is helping. and I'm starting to think it's just not meant to be

I apologize. I interpreted what you said incorrectly

It was just a turn of phrase. Obviously I care very deeply about connecting with women or like you said, I wouldn't be responding and looking for answers

@Emerald "don't expect women to give you romantic love out of a sense of charity". Relationships aren't a charity, but if everyone thought this way, there would be no relationships because no one would give anyone else a chance. "you're asking women to solve a problem that isn't a problem for them" - It's called empathy, the same reason why men can have empathy for women deciding whether or not to get an abortion even though they don't give birth Respectfully, I'm not finding our exchanges to be very productive. I can't make friends with women because outside of a few girls from school who I don't talk to outside of school, and a few girls I met on reddit over the years, women do not like me. You refuse to acknowledge my perspective or my pain. You twist my longing for love into entitlement and you use my isolation with women as a way to reinforce the idea that I'm a stranger to all women and I probably make them feel unsafe. Which is only going to make me want to isolate further. And yes, I do go out of my way to try to help others, but not in this area of life, because my romantic love is unwanted. Unless you have some specific advice to help or some empathy for men, I'd prefer to end the verbal sparring now, because its honestly stressing me out. Goodnight.

If you read back on the thread, I already acknowledged that I agree, they like clean masculine energy packaged in a way they find attractive. They don't like raw masculine energy

So do you honestly think the best approach when talking to a guy like me is to tell them: - 100% of women are entitled to act cold and detached towards me - There are drug dealers and gangsters that women feel safer with than me, someone who has never done drugs or committed a crime - Women don't owe me anything supposedly and I don't owe women anything so we're at a standstill forever How do you think that advice is going to help me grow or improve my mindstate? Not at all. All it's going to do is dehumanize me, belittle me, invalidate my experiences, and subtly imply that I'm entitled for even EXPECTING to make connections with women, which is absurd. Where's the empathy?

I think its the lack of shared social spaces and gender roles. Back in the day, men and women shared space together, and knew how to court each other. It was very ritualistic and simple. In the age of online dating and feminism, nobody knows what the fuck to do.

Despite the fact you don't believe it, it's harder for men to get sex than women. That's why its considered impressive. And to me, sex is just sharing love. Nothing wrong with loving sex