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My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy (2010)

@Thought Art So you're just going to judge his entire career by his latest, worst news bulb instead of the decades upon decades of brilliant works he's created??

If you made some of the greatest albums of all time (not just his words, but millions of fans and critics'), then you'd have an ego too.

Something tells me you've never listened to any of his albums

Yes, I think his music will still resonate. Hip hop will make its place in history, and when bringing up hip hop, you have to bring up Kanye West.

@Topspin715 We have a modern day Beethoven level musical genius among us and just because he's mentally unstable at the moment everyone wants to make him out to be a monster. There's nothing you can do to destroy his legacy. But the media will try their best.

@Leo Gura You know nothing about Kanye

@AtheisticNonduality Well all that is very true about Kanye atm, you're right on that

@AtheisticNonduality ???

You can't "manage" him. He is a maverick who is going to do what he wants to do no matter what anyone else says. I think one comment I saw put it well. He's achieved success in everything he's attempted except politics. So he's doing anything and everything to be successful in it.

Ask critics, the thousands of artists who were inspired by him, how he changed the sound of music over the 21st century, created new subgenres, etc. etc.

@AtheisticNonduality What does any of that have to do with his musical genius

@Leo Gura Kanye is a musical genius and none of your LOLs can take that away from him. The way you talk about this man truly pisses me off. I respect you a lot, and I respect Kanye a lot, so it hurts me to see you disrespect him like this time and time again.

@Danioover9000 Thanks for sharing all of this, I'll be studying these, and also checking out a few videos on the people who do believe he did it, just to get both sides. I've never seriously looked into the details of Neverland, yet.

@Thought Art Clickbait might have been exaggerating. But I just don't like Leo's angle here. Who's making a post when Kanye makes a musical innovation? Or when he donates to charity? No, it always has to be when he's at his lowest point... This post takes nothing away from his decades of greatness.

@Leo Gura We both agree that Kanye's going down the wrong path, the difference is that you're using him for clickbait and I'm actually a real fan waiting for his comeback and full recovery. You speak about him like you know him, but you don't. There is so much beauty and genius in that mind of his, you just can't see it right now. Go listen to The College Dropout, Late Registration and Graduation tonight and it'll teach you more about who Kanye really is than some new anchor or article ever could. Really listen to what he's saying. He was a great man.

@Leo Gura You just don't know the real Kanye. If you did, you wouldn't have this attitude you do. And me not having empathy for the Jews?? I just said the shit about Jews was wrong earlier, did you not read it?

Have some empathy Leo, he is not well.

@Leo Gura Please watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRpRYARIXIg

@Cat_eyes The thing with his Mom really hit him for sure (that's why he made 808s and Heartbreak), but I don't think he lost it after that. MBDTF was a masterpiece, Yeezus was wildly inventive, etc. If you look at interviews with him from the early 2010s, he's very loud but also very sharp. These days, he's the complete opposite, quiet and dull. The turn really happened around 2018. The Ye album was still great, but something was off. Jesus is King proved it. He was becoming "spiritual", but at the same time, losing focus. Latching onto any belief system to make himself happy. The quality of his mental state, music and everything else has been dropping ever since. Kim left him because he wasn't the same Kanye anymore. Fans can feel it too.

@Cat_eyes I haven't watched it cause it seems to make his "spiritual awakening" the glorious final arc of his life when I see it as the start of his downfall.

For what it's worth, I've sensed that there's been something wrong with him for a while now. Ever since his whole Christian re-birth thing, he seems pretty unstable mentally. I haven't enjoyed his musical output for years. but I never stop bumping the classics like The College Dropout, Late Registration, Graduation, 808s and Heartbreak, My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy, etc. I guess I love him for who he was more than who he is today, but he's still Kanye, you know? That's my guy.

@Leo Gura It might amuse you to know I'm also an MJ fan, and I don't believe he did it. I'll watch those bias videos though, it would amuse you even more to know that I don't think I've ever watched them!

@Leo Gura It's probably no secret that I'm a huge fan of his music. I think he's one of the great geniuses of our time, and I'm not alone in that, so I'm obviously going to cut him slack where you are not. And no! He's not a politician haha. Yet. Everything he's tried to run for, he's failed. But he is an aspiring politician, I'll give you that. Also, I looked at Parler's rules, and it actually says they will shutdown any criminal activity on the site: https://parler.com/documents/guidelines.pdf Not that I would ever use something like this, since I no longer identify as right wing, I'm just playing devil's advocate... As for Kanye's comments on the Jews, I won't defend that, it was definitely wrong, I'm just hoping this is another one of his "phases" and he'll move on to something else. Us fans have seen him down some weird rabbit holes before.

Leo, when you make these types of posts it kind of bugs me because it feels like you're doing it more out of "look at the antics of this famous dude!" than respecting them as an artist and a person. And the fact you've never seriously listened to his music but still felt the need to make this post speaks volumes. He's a musician, man. Not a politician. It's especially out of left field considering you just made an entire video about the excesses of the left and then call out Kanye just for buying a Conservative social media platform. How do you know he won't make it better?