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@electroBeam Really? *grabs hand of shrooms* Ofcourse, what else was it all this time? ?

Just had this moment of clarity about what spiral dynamics really is; its a lens for observing lenses. People having different lenses, different perspectives. As consciousness shines through our minds, dinstinctions are projected upon the world. Just like light through a projector creating a movie. The lens here consists of a person’s values, beliefs, stories, etc. Different ways of creating and evaluating distinctions, based on our survival needs. What spiral dynamics does, is taking a step back and observing these lenses. This is a step of going meta. It categorizes and distinguishes between these different lenses. Most human beings are unaware of this possibility. They are only able to look through the order 1 lens, not an order 2 lens, which observes lenses. This is the step to stage yellow I guess. Now I see why they call it a big leap in human consciousness and the step to second tier! However, this is JUST ONE lens of observing lenses. There could be many other ways of slicing and categorizing first order lenses. I guess the realization discribed here in this post is making the step to a 3rd order lens, from where the dynamic of these lenses becomes clear, because the 2nd order spiral dynamics lens is als seen as a lens. And so one could take infinite steps back, until all the distinctions are seen as an infinite fractal I suppose. ? Just like that implicit understanding metaphor Leo shared with the numbers counting, after some point of going meta one can grasp that you can go meta infinitely

Update; I’ve been using the crystals quite a lot the last week. What seems to work best for me is to take one that I feel drawn to, and hold it during meditation. Allowing it’s “vibe” to flow through me. Hard to say what exact effects it has, but it sure feels nice ?

@Ya know I feel you, it’s more exciting to move ahead than it is to master and integrate. Nevertheless it can be useful or even necessary.. You could also consider learning from green and yellow teachers about career and finance. These are not topics limited to stage orange.

@Leo Gura Thanks! ? @Ya know I’d say my center of gravity is stage green, with probably more orange than yellow tbh.. It’s a complicated web of identities and perspectives.

For me the most powerful thing about your work has been your ability to communicate powerful, inspiring visions. The self-help vision really got me, the sage vision, the early awakening vision. It feels to me like me, and maybe others, are so far removed from the full awakenings you are talking about that it’s hard to see the vision for it. Ofcourse words will not cut it, but an honest video where you share the vision for fully awakening to god could be very powerful I think. Might cut through a lot of the bullshit discussions and doubts. Get people on track for what you are talking about. More understanding and motivation. For me, and I think others can relate, I’m down for the vision of awakening to a decent depth and building a beautiful life and society around that. But I’m not so sure about the balls to the wall, 5-meo, resigning the physical world, full-god-mode path.

@Yog Beautiful! Especially the top one looks cool Healing work for yourself, or also for others? Is there a specific method you use?

@Adam M Guess it’s dependent on definitions of mind, me, real, etc. But simply said, when I meditate and hold a crystal in my hand, I feel a certain energy coming from it. I bought a few, and they seem to have different vibes to them. I would say that I could feel the difference in a double blind experiment. Closed eyes, random stone vs crystal. Maybe one type of crystal vs. Another.

@Rilles Nice, good luck, love to hear your experiences also! @Waken Sure, Ill share my findings ??‍♂️

@Aquarius Interesting view. Thank you, Ill try that out! ?

Damn, these crystals have some serious kick to them. I laid the rose quartz on my heart area for maybe 20 minutes when going to bed. My whole body started vibrating and felt like it was charged. As if my field of awareness was charged. I had some crazy dreams during the night. Seems like I cried during sleeping. Now, the next morning, I still slightly feel it in my body. More experimentation is on the way, but very impressed so far.

Cool that you are offering this man! I’m sure you can bring much value to those willing to listen and invest some effort! Just want to say that making money in these circumstances seems to be a lot about perspective. Granted, there is a lot of change. But with change comes opportunity. Life gives you lemons, make lemonade! There is a whole new domain of needs people have, to where there is no infrastructure to cater for right now. Ask yourself; What demands do people have rn? How can I fulfill these demands with my strengths and resources? You might find yourself stumbling into a profitable business!

Cool, I actually ordered a big ass rose quartz also ?

Daym, just watched this video of Martin Ball talking about 5-MeO-DMT and it completely changed my perspective on it and gave a deeper understanding of what awakening is and what it takes to awaken. Especially powerful for people that are sceptical I think

Hahaha, secret from behind the scenes; it's a 8 feet high children's house

Just came across this man. He has some phenomenal ideas. He’s coming from a non-dual perspective and has amazing visions for how we could revolutionize society in practical ways. Love to hear what you think. Is humanity ready for such evolution? Will it take major catastrophes to bring them about? #Corona ? What will be your role in this shift?

Everything in moderation, including moderation ?? Well, I think you can be tapping into your authentic desires and living from that, or not. If you are, than decisions as mentioned in the video don’t matter much. If you’re not, neither decision will work. It’s more about the big-picture of things than it is about individual decisions.

Hmm interesting. I’m trying to help people find a path they like. During that process we ask a lot of questions and “analyse” in a sense. I think it’s more nuanced than Gary describes here. It’s not as if anything is going to fly for anyone. Like everything there is a balance. This advice may be suiting for people who are suffer from paralysis by analysis. However, I see a lot of people who would be helped by asking themselves some deep questions about what they want, what their authentic expression is, and how to align their lives with that. It is possible to keep asking questions whilst moving forwards. It’s also about what type of questions you are asking. Worrying is not the same as asking high quality questions.

Yeah, cool video man! ?

Daym, that puts my self-bias into a different light ?

@Chumbimba I would recommend (re) watching the self-love video from The 1 hour mark ?

Was watching this video and recognized I fall into people pleasing dynamics quite often; Without labeling it as such, I have been trying to be more aware of my feelings and desires in situations and act on them. I have noticed that my awareness is often fully directed at the other person. As if trying to fully look from their POV. Although that can be powerfull, it is also easy to neglect one’s own desires. Not only does this hurt yourself, but it also hurts the other person in the long-run. In myself I have noticed that I don’t communicate a boundary in the beginning, let a person take some steps over it, and than react unconsciously and exaggerated. The other person is like; what the fuck? What did I do? Another dynamic I am not sure how to handle atm is eye contact. Eye contact used to go naturally for me. However, lately I have noticed it often becomes “too much” for people. It almost feels like they burn under the lazer of my awareness, if that makes sense ? If I look into their eyes too long, they will start avoiding eye contact with me, talk whilst looking down, turn their body away, etc. This has left me “managing” my eye contact where I look away, and around, on purpose. Often when I do, people open up and look at me again. Kinda feel stupid for asking this, but am I people pleasing when I do that, should I just look at them straight when I feel naturally inclined? Or is it healthy to make the other person feel comfortable by managing it?

Just had an interesting conversation with my yoga teacher. My throat chakra opened up during the lesson, allowing to tap into a deeper conversation than we have had before. She told me that she has been on the spiritual journey for most of her life. For two years she has walked around in an awakened state, to after that time fall back into ego. Now she has some flashes from time to time, but can’t seem to get back to the awareness she had during those two years. In this journey she has developed the belief that the ego has no control over the awakening process. It’s an illusion. It will happen when it has to happen. Trying to do something, only reinforces the illusion of an “I”. To me it seems that I do have the power to awaken. That I have to come to a place where I am willing enough to surrender. That “I” am the only obstacle, and can choose to remove myself so to speak. To me her perspective seems like a limiting belief. What do you think? Are they two sides of the same coin in the end? Are they perspectives from different stages (thinking about the Ox-herder pictures)?

@Nahm I send her the link to this thread ?