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Also wondering how people started to reach out in there local community to find some reputable support on experimenting..

I think its easy to do.. as we all think our perception is correct.. obviously the above case is pretty extreme but to some degree we all do this.. we think we are helping our kids by giving them our baseless knowledge.. and it is essentially baseless.. I am not saying dont try to instill things into your kids . i think a bit of humility is required to be very aware that what we do try to pass on is baseless and we are just trying to do the best we can with what we understand... I think using the word sad is a reflection of a internal judgement that one person knows better than another.. I prefer to think that wow thats an interesting flavour of a point of view that contributes to the universe as a whole.. People usually come back with replies like, you think hitler was good? and I giggle a bit.. Cos i realise that it was what it was and created all we have today and I would never want anything else different.. It may be more helpfull to let things be as they are.. Although I have not worked out how to act yet soo.. This is what I am trying to come to grips with now.. At the moment I respond pretty randomly.. Im not sure if this is ideal.. But one thing I have realise for myself, is that leave the external world as it is.. Or at least as much as you can.. Work in progress.. Thoughts??

@sjonesartist Wondering how your going with this.. I just watched a vid from Earhart tolle. outlining how we like to replace that whole in our life with more stuff.. i.e. when we should probably justy deal with being comfortable with the whole.. Runs along same lines of what leo said a few weeks back about being lonely.. When you look at the whole closely the feeling of emptiness.. many ways to do this.. You realise its very similar to who we really are which is why we try to maintain and cling to our physical selves and try to keep busy.. a good example of how to see the nothingness and or the emptiness.. is.. reflect on before you where born., what did that feel like.. reflect on what you think death is like.. reflect on what it was like when something was stolen from you.. that feeling of loss or emptiness.. they all seem to be earilly similar.. I think something you said about getting bussier and meeting new and more wider experiences is great on one respect as long as you at the same time deal with and face the issue of emptiness.. what do you think??

@Andy pandyIts a nice feeling when you see something.. but it also sobbering that you realise.. wow,, how much other shit cant i see... hahahaha.. Its pretty cool you saw this.. and thanx for reaching out for feedback..

@electroBeam yep.. thats what i thought..

@egoeimai Im not so sure.. My definition of pleasure is somewhat more subtle.. I can be completely happy sitting doing nothing..what makes seeing the grand canyon so special?? What makes anything so special.. this whole thing kinda reminds me that its not what your life is made up of thats important .its how you view it and what you do with it.. nothing is right or wrong.. one thing is for sure.. if you choose to live it unconsciously you'll suffer more than if you look at it consciously.. thanks for the feedback..

My body wants pleasure and too live. My brain wants to learn be challenged and to have drama and experience and validation.. What about that other etheric part of me..?? what does it want?? Can I even know with this limited brain/consciousness.. I understand a bit better now that my limits are purely physical laws of nature , and what capabilities I have.. slowly all of my minds self limitations are falling away.. thats all great. but I still have no idea what my greater self has in mind.... or why it felt this expression was necessary.. now Im left with the question of,,, what next,, and what part of me gets forfilled.. because one affects the other.. i.e. if i decide to climb a mountain my mind and body will be harmed... But thats acceptable for my etherical self as its a way to explore myself.. Im realising its ok to go through pain and trials that just our existence in this expression.. thats cool.. I realise suffering is what our mind and body have created from measuring and anticipating the future based on past patterns.. its pointless right.. why judge the future on the past.. it ludicrous,, I get it but.. I still have no idea what to do next.... I have the choice to be pessimistic andsee the world as one big drama to try and overcome. or I could see the world as some big expression of exploration ... But I still have no idea what to do.. the world can do anything and I have so many choices of what to do.. I could just sit here and be perfectly happy.. I could go and create a company and be perfectly happy.. I could do anything.. but I just dont know what... Any one else feel like this??

Its like choice paralysis.. nothing out there can make me happy.. I can do whatever I like.. but what??? do I just do something mindlessly?? pick anything. then life is not about what or where its about how you choose in the moment.. lets face it I have no idea where its going to lead.. it feels like the master plan is.. there is no master plan.. just do whatever you like..

The title got me.. I just want to express on that a bit.. ( this is only my thoughts, I know nothing) Inner wuus is about not being sure that what you will do is correct.. Youd think it was fear of guessing wrong. well its also because you think you know something too... its a bit of both.. letting go and admitting you know nothing opens up more possibilities and allows solution to come from places youd not expect.. Its about being more in the now , rather than trying to predict the future.. trying to predict the future is kinda pointless.. it always better to invest energy ion accepting things for how they are and doing the best with that.. Its funny cos we always try to reason .. right ,, now how do i optimise this.... wrong!!!!!! so if we dont comply with our compulsions and we dont use logic then how do we inform how we actions.. I think we just do the best we can to be aware of our compulsions and aware of our logic,do the best we can to accept we KNOW nothing!! and act as open and spontaneously as possible..?? who ffing knows

I cant offer you advice.. I can however express how your question makes me feel.. It is only relevant to me though.. take from this what you will.. this is more for me than you.. Thanks for the question.. it resonates with me.. Its natural to want to be successful or to feel important.. of course our body and mind what to have the best.. however we are not our body and our mind.. they are merely tools we use in this existence.. Our mind and body have desires and ambition of there own.. what happens meditation wise is that we come to know a part of us that has no need for any success , as it is eternal and never changes.. Some claim this is who we truly are.. The idea is if we ground ourselves to this existential part. we open up possibilities and enhance expression.. which is supposed to reflect in abundances and possibility.. Its ok to want success, some think that doing this means you sit in a cave.. it just not true.. it just means you are ware you have choices and your more conscious of them and you dont let your mind and body compulsion over take you.. i.e. sexdrive.. you go through this phase of seeing your mind and bodies compulsions and you think .. I should get rid of them.. nooooooo.. just know that they exist,, the claim is after a while your existential self takes more of the reigns and you accept your a sort of conduit for life... and your mind and body are tools.. accepting that you have no idea actually allows you to be more open to new stuff.. letting go of labels allows you to let go of external factors controlling your life.. ideally we get into a kind of flow .. allowing whatever to be, but also responding how we choose. never forcing outcomes..never questioning, just accepting and doing the best thing we can in that moment.. If an apple drop in front of you and you where hungry.... eat it... unfortunately we dont.. we ask questions, give it away, hide it, we do all sorts of wonderful things ... the idea is to be more abundant thinking that way we have access to so much more.. Look.....no need for help your doing great... The more conscious you'll get you realise a bit better the effect your mind and body have and learn to adjust them .. Be aware ,,, life will never give you what you want and how you expect.. but that makes for an interesting life. though..

My answer is only relevant to me and I am expressing how this question makes me respond.. I in no way think I understand anything or have any truth.. I just like writing a response for myself... It may not help to restrict your options.. by labelling people.. there are separate distinct parts of you.. the part that wants to do well in life and the other existential part. we probably should not apply the same rules to both.. when you label something good or bad.. you restrict it.. your basically telling the universe you understand how things work and know what you think is good,,,, better than it does.. Good luck with that.. we dont and cant.. the best we can ever do is try and be open to whatever happens in the moment and do the best we can with that... It sure feels like we can predict with some certainty, but its the mind and body which is trying to do this.. Not the existential you.. It is weird to see people doing there own version of life,, but its cool.. its not something we need to correct.. It may help even to find it really interesting at how people go about doing this unconsciously.. a lil bit hilarious even.. but its just another opportunity to enjoy life and not take anything too seriously.. That feeling of wanting similar friends is normal but its not really that conscious... we dont and have never needed friends or similar people.. In fact its a sign we are trying to find validation.. Our brains hate not knowing how life works.. so it actively seeks out validation.. But we now know better.... being open and accepting we know nothing about our existential self opens up so many more possibilities.. help us to be more in the moment and accepting of whats is... I would suggest that you can get more benefit from treating each and every person in your life like you have never met them before and they are brand new.. forget there past... Its tough i know ,, but thats exactly why we do this.. you really dont want to be surrounded by people that agree with you... its limiting.. Its far more interesting and expanding to learn how to better be yourself around those with differing view points.. In the past we have been afraid of the affect people will have on us and they may drag us down.. In fact this work is trying to get us to see that if done properly people cant affect us and we can respect them and be unconditional ....

I cant say that my answer could have ANY relevance to you but I have just realised this myself in the last couple of days.. I have no frigin clue.. Neither does anybody else Nor will anybody ever have a clue.. Its all just guesses and intelectual gambling on probable cause.. i.e. we make shit up as we experience shit... The universe is in perfect balance.. Always.. It does not require us to help it.. Do as you please.. Yeah sure you have a body and a mind an ego and all that, and they have their compulsions and so does everybody else.. But ultimately what we are , is not our body or mind or external circumstance and it really does not make a lick of difference to try and optimise it att all!!!! Ever.. You learn more from listening to people anyways.. Dont ask them though.. your forcing them to answer if they do.. unless they come to you.. its conditional and will not be real or valuable.. There is no truth.. and any truth there is Can not be understood or communicated.. Yes we can do as we please.. help people if you like but it does not help towards explaining this thing we call life.. Its just a choice, of a way we wish to consciously be.. if you wish to be nasty or nice.. your making a judgement and life just isnt like that... when you label something it just is what it is.. like rotting or fresh ( one is not bad and the other good) they both have a place... we trick ourselves into believing there is a proper way to live.. there just isnt.. Its your own personal choice and thats it.. wanting to teach comes from needing validation or desire to learn something better.. I think we all realise we dont require external validation from others.. I reckon its ok to write or exrpess or even answer questions because expressing yourself is a really great tool to consolidate in yourself.. i.e. when your trying to learn something its nice to be able to sound it off to someone.. But thats it.. if you listen carefully.. most people who educate are also trying to convince themselves... does any of that help.??

OK now this just blew my mind.. Alan suggested that the self we are all trying to madly tune into is no different to our superficial desire for salvation in things like chocolate and god and eternal life ect.. He made it sound like even if we where to find enlightenment, its just another crafty way of the ego creating some ficticious way of saying. hey look you can live forever as this self being.. hahahaha... could this be true.. Is our true self just another promise of salvation ?? Alan did go on to say that trying to make life what you want if a fruitless activity and your no better off than just observing it and going for the ride... thoughts?? Which brings up another issue.. Acceptance and what to do next.. I get that we need to just accept we are a tiny nothing and the external world is much bigger than us, however we experience the outer world internally which we have complete control of... Im not sure how it all fits togtether.. do we accept and give up.. theres no hope of making the world as we wish its all much bigger than us and outside influences are much larger than we can hope to control..?? Do we just sit and accept everything around us with as much awareness as possible and just enjoy it ?? Do we try and change things..?? Confused..

What I mean is that, when we where born we became a function of those close to us.. so we kinda need to get back to a clean slate and then build ourselves.. But this time we do it with a knowledge that we can do it our way?? I have a feeling that we should just accept that we are limited by this body and mind and live this experience consciously... and... thats it really.. no wrong or right.. just isness until we pass on.. No need to look for answers or perfection.. Just do what you can with as much consciousness as poss.. Most people these days just operate on pardigm other than a conscious one.. on autopilot.. I reckon our ultimate is just being as conscious as possible..

?? I dont follow.. I reread several times.. could get Oh yeah I get that.. Its a construct of our mind..is that what you mean?? Same as there is no maths That something we use to communicate patterns we observe.. So your point is??

@abrakamowse Well I dont know anything about the real self.. Kinda get the feeling that just being is better than looking for the true self.. To be , do we just need to strip everything away and then start from scratch consciously??Really cautious about listening to a devine or higher self.. I would just be happy If I could get back to nothingness and build on that.. whatever it is that is deeper than that .. well Ill deal with that when I get there.. Seems pretty evolutionary.. I imagine once I get there Ill know what to do.. I dont really want to get somewhere, I just want to go.. if that makes any sense??

@abrakamowse I am caring less about understanding and more concentrating on stripping away the bullshit.. I am cautious thou because I dont want to rely on this real self for salvation.. I dont really want salvation . I guess i just want to do the best i can and be as in the moment as possible..

@abrakamowse so its a feeling rather than a thought.. so we dont actually need to have any thioughts at all. ok.. I get that.. i mean I can actually feel that.. or sense it or something.. The thoughts come from my mind and my mind is only really rooted in the 4 dimensions.. Does our mind have access to other information?? I guess there must be some other type of communication going on.. Just as our fingers are controlled by the nerves in our spine so to our mind is controlled by the brain.. But I have a feeling that every cell in our doy has access to something else. It could actually be several souces of information or influence. its interesting how we can feel/sense it but it takes us ages to be able to articulate it.. kinda like how a picture can have a 1000 words.. I watch allot of Teal, she does go quite deep.. I like it.. still its quite hard to put into words. like trying to logically understand art..

@abrakamowse If nothing at all. I like your words they seem to get closer to something I am searching for.. weird. what is moving and where.. I am actually kinda enjoying being clueless.. Feels much more open than pretending to know what the hell I am doing Its technically not our internal voice that implies its us somehow.. its our mind. sending signals. i get that.. What is baking my noodle is what is doing the listening and how? does it/I have a seperate system of listening and observing?? Is it me i am watching? Isnt that a bit like schizophrenia . I guess it/I used some method to indirectly observe through the mind body ego senses..

@vizual Cheers i get this but I dont know how to translate that into what to do next.. I think what your saying is that even though I think I am choosing to take action I am really not?? Boy .. it really feels like i am choosing stuff.. like really..

Having some casuals trying to take me off the market.. Whats your experience?? They are trying to use arguments like "your afraid to commit" In fact they just are not what I am looking for.. I say things like " If you feel like you want more of a traditional relationship Maybe we should Just say our goodbyes" However it inevitably comes around again with some other type of qualifier at why its a good idea to get into a relationshipp.. I am a little concerned in that I just dont need a relationship anymore.. Happy on my own.. Apart from sex and intimacy of course.. Thought comments??

hmmm.. Id like a girl to get intimate with and relate in a deep way, but in general girl have so many other expectations that make things more complicated than they need to be.. i probably cant use the I dont know you cos I actually know these people quite well.. I called her out on being needy but it only made her ego jump into action and avoid it and or makes some other argument.. actually funny to watch.. I am high value , so I really honestly dont care about getting them to submit to my will.. They can take it or leave it.. Just curious if there is something else I need to get ontop of , something I am missing?? I guess they are seeing my desire to be deep and intimate with them as a sign that I want to be in a relationship with them,??? Girls are not use to me because I like to listen and I am very open and I love to talk to them emotionally and please them..

SO ... I get that you need to accept things for how they really are.. i.e. try to see things without bias.. I have resentment for a past action.. I really could not have done anything about it at the time as I had no idea then what was happening.. I appreciate that it happened as it led to where I am now, but I still have that regret.. More like a feeling of waste.. In fact I get that feeling of waste because I know I could have done something to prevent.. Well that what I tell myself anyways.. (I know this is bullcrap because I had no way of knowing it then) What would you suggest to try and tidy up that last bit of resentment?? I imagine its just a residual learned response and with enough focus on what I have done to take advantage of that previous event, its association will just melt away???

So my ex is very critical of me and my actions and has never once told me about how she feels and what she is working on.. Why is it that I take this on and work at it and feel like crap while she gets to live high and mighty, because I agree with her and decide to eat humble pie.. its seems like me being open and infallible made her some god like figure.. What gives??

@Ajax Its not a flaw to leave a guy for a better guy... Its a crime to stay with a guy when you want more... @pixelwave suss her out in a casual fun joking way. if you can tell she is not happy . encourage her to get help from a councellor or a professional..Thats what friends do.. if she decides she should leave her partner then your in like flynn...