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@ElenaO I read some more replies and it really does sound as though your social/cultural boundaries really define you.. and they are pretty restrictive.. Im not sure how you would go about getting people to act they way you think they should either.. Its a tough problem.. your restricted by your boundaries and your also restiricting his boundaries and you wondering why your not getting what you want... Have you had any suggestions here yet.. If you pretty certain you want to still maintain those boundaries, which is cool. Can you let us know how you solve?? its a curly one..

@Morrtiz Hey man, we all are a bit cra cra right?? that why we are here, to try and sort through all the bullshit.. IM not sure where your at right now but do you have something to say about your own situation or are you happy just degrading others to make yourself feel better. the hardest stuff you will ever do is admit to others what your own crap is and try and accept the realities of a situation.. soo much easier to pretend other are at fault.. A few of us here are pretty skilled at it , so if you dare maybe youd like to suggest how your soo much better and we could show you how flawed that premise is, if you dare?? Its alright if your too scared to share.. allot are..

Lol, you have to admit his troll got ya there,, It could also be a hijacker too.. anyway its not big concern.. they are way out on the delusional tight rope, dont make a noise, they can fall and hurt themselves.. After all its just you.. If the abuse continues we can just get that account deleted... Sticks and stones yeah?? Was this genuine?? possibly use a different word..?? It does not want to hear it and a word like flaw, is an underhanded judgement.. we are all the same thing remember.. respect all poles.. up down, left right, warm cold.. for without them we dont exist.. In fact be thankfull.. Would you want to live with all that anxiety and resentment.. reread its words..

I want to raise a concept.. We know, nothing, cant know anything (existentially) Judgement about anything is pretty much pointless... Im toying with the notion that being the best you can be is another form of egoic grasping.. One upmanship,, "im more enlightened than you" or I study things seriously" or " I have a better understanding than you" What if nothing matters.. In an infinite world, that could have all possibilities, this could be a certain contender.. If nothing mattered that would render all judgements , including actualisation, pointless.. Hear me out.. Im not trying to say dont do anything or try ect.. Im saying really come to terms with the idea that nothing matters, and move forward consciously down any path you like free of any kind of judgement.. Whats my premise here.. If the god head does not know where it came from or why its here, it stand to reason that everything is basically an exploration.. the god head is destined to act out every single act no matter what. and in order for the universe to be infinite. it needs to.. Just knowing we are everything is not enough.. its just the beginning.. Its a bit full on to think about and can seem a bit like purgatory, but I guess thats why its so hard to face.. Its pretty clear we cant know what we are or why we are here or any of that.. Infinity is just too big.. I guess there is some solace that we just dont know what path we are living out though.. Soo, what to do.. Well there is only one thing we can do.. Be grateful for everything.. Give up pretending we are ever going to get somewhere.. Then the very next decision you make let it be free of intellect and judgement.. I think this just adds to our already insurmountable illusions.. Oh and the title was on purposely click baitish.. Hope you enjoyed this.

@Principium Nexus Ok whats before being bullied.. a desire for equality.. Love.. a desire for purity, love.. I reckon any fear can be derived from love .. Of course he followed his heart.. he really honestly thought the world would be better off for all.. Just like when we all weed our gardens.. we think getting rid of weeds is better.. Flip that on its head... Pretty much every mortal That declared themselves good is doing something that backfires and becomes destruction of some sort.. point is... its not important to get involved in good or bad debate... there is only the now and we really dont ever know how our actions are going to eventually turn out.. yeah sure we have a fair idea. but in the mid term we just have no clue...

to be fair no question is .. this sounds like you think you know what your talking about.. allow yourself some space that you dont know and this will help you make less assumptions.. hence you will act more.. That another assumption too.. we always like to extrapolate what has happened.. we went for lunch sooo he must be interested... do you think this is effective?? again let go that you think you know something.. try to let it go and be with the moment.. You naturally left some wiggle room here.. thats great.. that will allow for more again your past traditions are limiting .. .. It really is upto you what you wish to do.. if you like him and dont want to be without its obvious.. go and grab it.. If you feel its his position to come up and ask.. your forcing your view on the world to act in accordance with you.. which leads to pain and anguish.. You can expect the world to act in a certain way if you wish but just try it and see what the result is.. We barely have control of ourselves, how on earth can we expect to get people to act according to our expectations.. I cant stress this enough. Expecting someone to fulfill your fantasy is ludicrous.. However If thats important to you thats fine but you could however get into a casual fun discussion with him about how dating works and how its happened in the past.. but thats touching on manipulation.. not my cup of tea.. It really comes down to do you want to get it or are you only going to allow it if it meets your guidelines.. Id much rather ,personally, that they did something naturally rather than due to a social cultural requirement.. Its like saying to your partner " We are married so we are in love...." Do as you will no judgement.. xx

Im not sure about that.. If you where constantly in a state of enlightenment you would only help others cos you "chose to",, not because you felt you had to..?? I would have thought seeing the world playing out its silly games would be a way of becoming even more intensely aware of the game.?? Try?? is trying even possible?? We either do or do not.. (sorry for the yoda quote but he was pretty bang on..) Do right? what the hell is right?? sounds like your pretending you know something. do any of us truly know anything except the illusion we find ourselves in?? I feel like that allot, but after a while when things go my way I feel good again.. shit happens. its our brain and ego which label it as forces of good and evil.. Seriously.. shit just happens both ways.. im sure there times in your life when things have just gone well.. Theres really millions of ways to dig around the depths of who we are.. I dont think you need to through the baby out with the bath water.. It could be we know nothing, cant know where we are going, so a sense of calm and acceptance comes over if you just accept.. whats the point of labelling something good or bad evil or wrong?? your next thought might be,,,,, What now.... Well what ever the hell you like.. Go consciously accepting your not going anywhere and how amazing the possibility of not knowing is.. things become .... i dont know more magical... No need to apologise.. its exactly in this moment that you are closest to just letting go.. hahaha no actualisation or meditation required.

@Emerald I like this.. I would add, you've never been down this river and you have no idea what is coming. There is definitely some here that think they do or can.. Yep, everything is beautiful. x

@Joseph Maynor Fair enough, I dont want to come across like I know something.. I was just wandering along and I saw this fear lurking around inside me.. So I am investigating it.. Some part of me finds it uncomfortable , i guess because we dont like to feel we could not be in control, but another part of me thinks well, if thats how it really is, no point fussing, which actually helps me to just appreciate more.. Look Ive clearly had to work to get to this realisation, but at the same time it was spontaneous.. I think anyone could have this but the chances they would actually look at it are very low unless they are open to it.. who knows, maybe there is more to realise.. but what i think got me here was a willingness to be open , let go of what I know, accept for what is , being in the moment and questioning how infinite our existance is.. There could be thousands of ways to reach this state.. i.e. after a major life trauma (kids dying) , it could be actualisation or it could be spontaneous..

@Principium Nexus Yeah I totally agree, Im not saying actualisation is not functional. All karma has consequences, But we have very little way of knowing totally what those consequences are.. it is at best an estimation.. There are countless examples of people trying to live out GOOD lives and in fact there actions have become the very evil they have set out to destroy.. Hitler wanted a sterile race because he thought it was poisoning the earth, christians want peace and love but became hypocrytic liars and abusers.. What do you think are going to be the consequences of actualization extremists?? who knows.. Seems there is letting go of all and being truly in a state of wonder and uknowing and true gratitude and that then releases us from forcing an outcome that just makes things worse.. I guess the trick is how to let go?? How to live like we know nothing, like we are in infinity, that we cant know where we are going, that we cant even pretend we have some control over it..

@Nahm Not sure I understand?? My point is you and i can do anything we please.. But it means nothing and leads nowhere.. so your free to do anything consciously.. Just for explorations sake.. Is that what you mean?

@pluto Never is a long time.. society is only fucked up in your version.. why is alignment important..? there is the possibility that a person can be soooo unconditional and soo apreciative of the complexity and beauty of life that the other persons state is irrelevant.. i.e. buddha ect... Relatonships may not be totally reliant on the other.. there are cases where the individual has the training required to accept the other for what they are.. and in fact that could be the source of boundless beauty.. remember how we expect others to act is our shit not theres.. Your internal state can be interdependant of the others.. most people dont know what that means or how to really do that though..

@Fidelio at least someone understood my sentiment..

Have a superior perception of reality — they see things in an objective, accepting way without intruding themselves upon what is being perceived. It could be that each level of consciousness is essential so how can walking be superior to crawling?? They just are.. Have an increased acceptance of self, others, and nature. I think so.. I fight sometimes the situation that happen around me but I guess I am starting to accept them and realise without them I get nothing at all.. Have increased spontaneity in behavior — they can be unpredictable and outrageous. Im getting more reserved.. the more I am becoming aware the more introverted i am getting.. not obeying the social law and being a bit of an outcast sooo. i spose I am not normal according to social rules.. Are more focused on the problem than themselves.?? I am the problems.. all the problems I have ever had are generated by me..I do like it to be 100% responsible but I am.. Have increased detachment and desire for privacy. Well yeah I spose.. I dont think I care much about what other think of me.. take me or leave me.. its all g Have increased autonomy and sense of individuality — take full responsibility for how their lives unfold. Well, i understand its all me but I do still indulge in blaming the situation .. i have a fair ways to go there.. Are resistant to social conditioning. World-citizens not beholden to any one culture. Pick and choose what they like from culture. We all do that already.. that really a question of are you aware of your social conditioning. i think i am. im sure Im still learning every day.. Are comfortable being themselves even if that means being unpopular. I would not say I am 100% comfortable with being an outcast.. because we are part of the same system. so i realise that I have a roll to play and that we both affect each other so I am conscious of our connection and at the same time dont disregard the rest of the world.. Have a good sense of what is real and unreal. Value truth and facts over beliefs. No way.. I know very little.. I have no idea what is real.. I think truth is so reletive its probably just not worth it.. all I know is right now.. i dont know why, how . it just is.. and even that is shakey.. I figure if its a thought or perception its probably not real or totally real.. its a best a really rough sketch.. Have great freshness of appreciation and richness of emotional reaction. Our mind has soooo many lil emotions. that have evolved over eons!!! Its amazing tho think how closley related emotions are to primitive life forms from millions of years ago and how those emotional responses where passed down in DNA and culture.. Have higher frequency of peak experiences. Being in flow state more often. No probably not.. Have an increased identification with the human species. Hahaha sometimes I am more identified with a rock than other humans ... No I feel less of a human and more of a physical being.. Have improved interpersonal relationships. Less enemies I spose. But I find people are so involved in there own lil story that I dont have much to contribute.. Have a more democratic character structure. Not sure what this means. Have greatly increased creativeness. NO Have a deep knowledge of themselves. Hahaha NO I feel i realsie how deep I am and that I am no way near that. like ive found out how deep I go standing at the edge looking down.. Are constantly moving toward unity and integration of their personality and world view. I think i really understand that I am one with everything and that all effects all but I still have total control of my choices. although I dont feel I have deeply embodied this.. Are actively nurturing their talents. I dont fully understand all my strengths and weaknesses. as they are relative to the current moment.. I think I am doing the best I can.. Place great value on truth, beauty, goodness, uniqueness, wholeness, justice, simplicity, richness, effortlessness, and playfulness. truth , beauty, goodness,justice?? is there anysuch thing.. what could be more beautiful than the way things are?? seriously?? is this really not enough?? I think effortless and playfullness are signs you doing it right.. Are driven by positive, intrinsic motivation, not by lack. I still have some unlearning to do here.. i get there is abundance but I have not totally embodied that yet. Generally enjoy most aspects of life, not just achievement, triumph, or peak experiences. Im as happy as a pig in poo just sitting, just waking up is pretty cool.. Take pleasure in functioning at their prime. Prime suggest some kind of plan or greater good.. there may only be the plan of just experience.. Let the world goto shit if ya want.. does it really matter..?? Take a non-valuing, non-judging, non-interfering, non-condemning attitude towards others. If my arm got cancer, so be it.. I can only do the best I can.. so too for people with their views.. we are all trying to do the best we can.. how could I know that what Iam doing is any better than the next person.. besides where all affecting each other.. Are more loving. They need love less but are able to give love more. Hmmm. I feel less love and affection but want less too. Its more like I know secretly that person is going through there own experience and thats cool.. I cant judge.. If thats love then I have a tonne of it.. Embrace conceptual dichotomies, polarities, and conflicts by fusing, transcending, or resolving. Are comfortable with paradox, contradiction, and not knowing. I think so..I realise there are some thing in this expression of life that we cant know and it ok because it also gives us greater options.. We are free to do quite allot of stuff.. with freedom come not knowing the future.. Have desires and impulses that correlate with what's good for them. hahahaha, nope,, I dont 100% know whats good for my body or mind.. how can you.. I do the best I can with my current knowledge , but again there lots i dont understand about how I work. its a progressive thing.. Have solid psychological health. Again... what the hell is that.. lets just say Im wandering around exploring what that could be.. i think those who know are pretty closed off and unhealthy in some ways.. Like they know something.. Live on purpose with a sense of mission. Work is a precious cause. For me it feels more like exploring around.. again mission implies you know what is good or bad.. Involved in improving the world. Why?? whats wrong with the world?? If you want to goto heaven where its perfect.. go!! No ones stopping you.. Willing to admit and correct mistakes. hahaha. again I dont know much, and glad i dont.. Have an easy self-discipline which comes hard to average people. Duty and pleasure are the same. HMM. not sure about this.. I cant really push myself in directions I dont want to go.. Im not sure of the difference of what can be done or what should be done.. Thoughts suggestions??

@Ry4n Peace on earth i believe is just a crap as wanting a nice car or to be wealthy.. Im pretty sure the big picture does not need peace. I would have thought most people here would have already got that this existance is heavily dependant on polarities and to get rid of one i.e. bad, gets rid of the other good.. SOOOO.. probably a better idea to just giv up the bulshit idea of peace and good ect and just concentrate on the work of experiencing and exploring ourselves..

I guess I can try this.. Im not interested in being a yogi or anything but I would like to experiement with this.. not even sure I can as Ive never even astral projected before.. well not that I know..

Is anybody have an tips or tricks or know how on being conscious while assleep??, not astral.. Ive been wondering, if I die each time I goto sleep and are born each morning.. as I have not been able to be conscious while im passed out.. Id say lucid astral and all that dont count as you not passed out.. Id be interested if anyone has done anything different to try and explore this state??

@electroBeam @Prabhaker I get the whole astral projection thing but your essentially aware.. I would have thought this is the same as being awake.. Maybe i should put it another way.. you know when your ranting away and your in your ego state and you not in the moment.. Can you be aware that your not aware?? I get that you can become aware that your unaware but can you be aware just before your aware.. Im thinking this is the same as when your asleep?? and when your not aware,, where is your awareness?? It could be that your always aware but your just cant see or here it because your mind and body overpower?? i.e. to loud or distracting?? @AstralProjection OK.. I guess maybe im confused now.. sometimes when i sit down in the sun.. I go somewhere. im not aware of anything.. zone out like a zomby.. When i come back And I am present I feel the difference of those two states.. interesting thats all.. I guess ill just try to astral project first and then maybe it will be clearer..

@Prabhaker hahaha. It was a public holiday here... kinda funny the assumptions we make tho LOL.. But yeah I do try and be present as i work. but the more i focus on what i am doing the more asleep I become.. I find there two sorts of working focus.. 1.when the worlds fades away 2.when everything operates like one big machine.. I usually find the worlds disovles and my focus goes into one point.. I think I would prefer to experience the one where I become a part of everything like a big orchestra.. I reckon that would feel amasing tooo.. Thoughts/ experiences??

Just wondering how much time people devote to contemplating researching and practising all this inner world.. I noticed I spent the entire day doing this and outside was a lovely day.. I had to wonder gee have I got this balance right??

Maybe I should have said I wish I had.. Like everything if I allow myself one I am sure it will happen.. hahahaha. Im pretty sure "real" is a dirty word here.. Sorry I asked before if the door actually opened,, and do you know which one was the physical one?? is it easy to tell?? This stuff amazes me.. Thanks for sharing experience!!

@Shin Pretty cool you were able to experience that!!.. I wish I could.. You mean half of you was looking from the bed watching the other half of you open the door? and the door actauly opened?? which one was the physical and which was the astral.. seems like your astral self layed in bed while your physical self got and and went for a pee..>> pretty cool.. no matter what..

Although these good trip reports are super valuable.. Im left thinking well. ... It would be interesting to learn from mistakes made?? i.e. bad trips and people look at people whoare harmed or even killed, and what the circumstances are around this..?? Try and give a balanced view of the risks and how to avoid.. I guess some discussion needs to be had about the discernment between something that will actually end your life and something that is just ego death.. I mean surely there are people who can go crazy or have psychotic events.. I guess what I am trying to understand is that permanent change is fine as long as the changes prove functional and lead to less misery.. i.e. a person who losses there mind and gains a few extra personalities along the way may be in themselves happy.. but functionally in this world, may be a bit dysfunctional?? Which raises another point.. maybe some work could be done to look at people who are in psychosis or some other condition and understand that better perhaps?? possibly even bring these people out of there condition???

And it might be cool if someone could be taking your vitals to see whats happening to the subject as they progress?? see if you actually are close to death when you are going through ego /physical death experience??

I think Id like to find ways of incorporating internal work out there in the world..?? Thoughts suggestions?? Tips.. ??