Will

im not sure I understood any of this.. ill reread a couple of times an see what I can eek out.. are you able to rephrase?? I like examples and stories..

not sure I understand this.. I think I try this by just appreciating the thing I have and my experiences and anything I am interested in.. not sure how to pretend I have something.. its not really being in the moment.. not sure im comfortable pretending I have something when in the moment its just not there.. only thing is there is the feeling of liking that thing.. I get how tricking your brain works just not sure how delusional that is.. sounds like a trick the ego uses to pretend its desires are more important than the universal will working through me?? Great convo though, enjoying this discussion.. Thanx

I think what I am suppose to have done in this situation is to acknowledge the thing that presented itself acknowledge my feelings about it exist within that and let it be.........just soak in that...... for however long I think my mistake was judging it to be not obtainable or not in my direct experience.. because that lead to actions that compelled me to push it away and deny it, get rid of its presence.. thoughts??

Ok . so ive been pondering this a bit.. Also listening to Some ekhart tolle.. He suggests once you get the ego out of the way , some universal will can come through you.. I like that idea. but have no idea how to embody that.. I would like to practice first being in the moment seeing things as they really are, I like coming here because other peoples comments help me to see there and glimpse ,my own ego.. I really appreciate others perception of what the ego is.. I like ego being pointed out to me too.. happy for people to enlighten me.. but also id like to see the universal will too... how would I know it when I saw it.. Im happy to be the conduit of some universal will but I just don't know what that is.. Tips? tricks, suggestions, stories of how to embody the universal will, or lt go of the ego's will.. What would it even be like to be a conduit of the universal will.. Or are we constantly doing it anyways?? Thanx in advance

I have no hope for you to be anything different than what you are... keep up the good work and thanks for the balance and different perspective..

@Nahm In my paradigm, everything is "issness", I don't know what belief is.. for me It seems to be a construct that forms on top of "issness" For belief you need memory and logic... belief seems to be something you think should or could happen.. I would have thought youd need to be in the past , future and pretend to have some knowledge in order to even maintain a belief.. I find your view interesting though.. probably not the direction I was hoping to take this discussion though. Thanks for sharing..

@S33K3R Thankyou.. Flow would be a nice state to be in to.. conscious, flowing to wherever , flowing around where ever my hearts desires.. sounds nice huh??

@S33K3R I appreciate your points here and essentially agree.. However I am trying to zone in on something, not quite sure what yet.. Thanks again. Very appreciative of your input..

Yeah true I spose. We cant truly have anything.. Im not sure in myself what that feeling was actually.. I think some more about how it felt.. I think your onto something here but I cant put my finger on it yet.. YUk. That word is sooooo. I dunno. unsure.. Believe.. To me it screams I don't know.. Id rather not consciously use such a word.. anywho, I get we can manifest but it requires state of mind and our physical manifestation has some momentum to it so, i don't expect things to change instantly... But you have to admit, wanting to change things or move them in a different direction stinks of ego right?? Im questing around this point a bit, Hopefully there is something I can learn.. Thanks for your input..

I see many beautiful things around me.. I'm looking at the tree right now.. thinking wow.its amazing.. I could just sit and observe.. or I could care and nuture for that tree, do a painting of the tree, express my feelings in music. celebrate the way that tree provides me oxygen and I provide it CO2..

@S33K3R hmm.. there must be a way of flowing with,,, being a part of it.. We don't need to be in this body to simply observe.. That kind of suggests we should just walk around life passively.. I would have thought giving and contributing and creating where important too?

@Nahm Id be interested in your perspective.. are you able to share the nuances?? Or do you really need to know specifics??

@Nahm Id say that's arbitrary.. why do you want to know??

?? curious.. say for instance you drive past the beach and the waves are perfect glass and your on your way to work... How would you play with that.. whats fihting the ego?? surely its the ego fighting the ego?? Please explain?? I get this,,, but surely participation is also important.. how do you draw the line from appreciation to participation..?? sometimes I feel just being thankfull with the ways things are as being a cop out and not having any responsibility for doing something else.. what I mean, is that in a perfect situation I would be appreciative of every situation and just let it be.. But then id never do anything about it.. Thanks for the feedback..

SOo, Im doing some pondering in the shower as you do.. I realise there are differing aspects of me all with differing agendas.. My ego wants validation My body doesn't really want anything but It works best If I feed it and look after it My being is just happy watching the show no matter what.. sooo,,, question is.. where does will come into this? some claim its a common sense that arises from the moment?? Or is that just you listening to more primal urges and bypassing ego.. Say for instance, Id like a hug, I know there is no right or wrong, My ego craves hug, My body responds to hugs, and my presence couldn't give two hoots.. Where does free will come in?? How do I know to choose to have a hug or not? Seems to me its mostly ego, and a little bit of biological?? Perspectives?? No hugs thanks.. Its just an example

@Visitor hahaha, Is that it?! Gees.. simple and a bit of understantement.. Its funny I always thought things would blow me away, but they more been like lots of little micro glimpse.. Not at all what i thought @Nahm hahahaha. this could go anywhere.. Ill just leave this ambiguous reply alone hey..

So I think most of us here would realise there is a still knowing aware presence behind the scenes, right? which is like the first layer then matter is the next abstraction up, next layer of a fractal.. then molecules, is the next abstraction layer on the fractal Then basic lifeforms, I guess there could be many layers in between and our conscious mind is like a more complex abstraction higher up in the fractal.. I guess there could be higher abstraction layers above us that we are not aware of. all sort of adds up.. we come from one polarity/gender simplicity creating lie (pronounced-lee, means order with no order) or complexity we are both everything but also nothing/abstraction. so above as below Practicalities of this realisation.. I think so many times we try to understand the different layers of abstraction with same rules.. i.e. mind /body. But because they operate in different abstraction layers they also have differing causal outcomes?? Could this help us to make better decision based on just that layer of abstraction?? Also how come we want to go back in abstraction i.e. awareness Not sure id like to go forward in this mind/body, I suppose thats what DMT ect does??

@egoeimai yeah, i get that But....Im using this a an experiment/ exploration to feel around how I think and perceive things.. Like a gym.. I see things in others and they see things in me . So I am learning heaps, and I hope in gest, the other takes something meaningful too.. so thats my point.. I speak mostly for me but I do my best to give value to.. which is nigh on impossible, cos you never know the others receptivity or intent.

I think i missed this point.. soz.. Oh yeah for sure from a manifested perspective there is definately polarity and gender and all that good stuff, but I meant from an existential p[erspective,, we need it all.. otherwise the universe would not be infintie.. Thats what i meant..

Who ever consciously does.. well not all the time anyway.. and thats fine too.. I dont want to judge anyones personal intention.. go for it.. I think its great we all can voice our opinions, sometimes others will get hurt. I guess we cant always help that.. sooo. All g..

Not sure I understand?? did at any point I indicate I had any sort of issue..? Yes your absolutely right Its is my projection.. I am musing about something I saw.. It resonated with me.. By no means do I think i have any answers but it was just interesting to go with it..

To be fair, it is what it is, and all is perfect and nothing needs to be forgiven.. By all means Im not advocating people say insulting stuff, but it does raise a good point, You felt like that girl needed to be defended and like the other character needed to be punished.. Isnt this the cycle we want to be free of ?? or at least aware of?? I dont know, just my own persoanl exploration.. All g..

@egoeimai hahahaha. no one has flaws tho.. Im betting that you felt comppeled to use that word to show him how faulty he was?? What purpose is that.. Like i am trying to tactfully do with you now.. I guess its not trying to teach but more to iluminate? well anyways.. I think ive said enough to try and shine light on this.. I just reckon using words like this, i would seem is more about me than truly helping him see something.. And besides he didnt ask to see his flaws, And nor did You ask me.. So ill just get back in my box

@Pinocchio NTO-Dingu its almost like she is just venting at the situation, she wants him to be a night in shining armour and meet all her egos dreams. I guess she is just frustrated and is here to see if there are any magic pills that exonerate her from the realities of the situation.. ??

@Morrtiz You I think one of your mates got drunk and highjacked you account.. hahahaha. lol.. who ever it was , was ummm. interesting to say the least..