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@Emerald Please don't see me as trying to correct you I am loving this discussion , but I am struggling to convey or articulate my message.. probably do, I don't disagree but im toying with the concept that even below chasing positive and escapism have underlying expressions of love that are misguided by a belief that the is lack?? I would tend to agree.. So how do you think we should approach any darker type actions..?? and how does it all fit in?? do we continue to demonise all evil or do we embrass it and look for the deep inner truth behind it and nuture that.. Im also talking about our own as well all those deep dark shadow things insdie ourselves as well. not just your partners and the external world??

@Emerald I was thinking further about this while driving to work and I think I stumbled onto the answer.. There is an assumption that there is evil out there.. There is this idea that nasty stuff happens.. I mean theres a tonne of things we think are terrible atrocities going on right now.. Well, this guy Benthino Masarra or something coins the idea that we are everything...we are all the vibrations and possibilities out there, materialised into one moment.. they all fit together like a puzzle.. there fore we are it.. its just from our perspective things seem somewhere else.. separated by some distance and or time.. So we kinda tend to ignore or justify its not our fight.. I.e. if you got a mole you just cut it off and say that's not me and disown it and pretend its not part of you.. However, it could be that its all us.. ALLLLLLL of it... So,, we are actually vibrating with all these so called BAD vibrations.... This bentino guys suggests thouh that there is NO LACK .. We are abundant.. but we do have a fear of lack .. that's where all of our anxiety comes from... which manifests as fear hate greed ect ect ect.. seems appropriate that we can just give up this idea we have any lack at all and then that changes how we interpret things.. rather than there bein hate greed ect ect.. there is only all expressions of love..?? Look this is out there and hurts my brain a bit and its implications go deep. So I am kinda looking for some help to explore this topic.. What do you think??

all I am saying is that we may not really understand why we are here.. Or how this place works.. It could be something that needs to happen or something that another aspect wants to happen or in order to maintain balance we nee to accept whatever happens to us ect ect ect.. we dont know and cant ever know probably.. so we really only have one choice.. accept and go with it.. do the best we can.... I mean do we reallly!!??? want guarenteed sucess?? maybe diversity seeems more compelling to our ultimate being.. I suppose we can do that too... both are great.. its like you have two paths to go down.. you infintie and been down the good path a billion times, wouldnt you like to know whats down the other path?? I mean seriously, done consciously and willingly I think all expereince could be magical. Just because we cosniously choose a path of challenge does not need to mean we are sadists or masochistic. does it?? I prefer to maintain that making the judgement is not valid.. If its true and we really do have some control to stay on the predictable shiny good , white side... I guess maybe you could be right.. I guess i am a bit compelled to do some exploration and really face my fears... I think thats totally different to believing your stucke there and or deserve it.. Yes including being in tricky situations.. why is white sooooo good.. black is also part of it ... I guess the only thing is that to make it more authentic.. we have to forget we are devine and really believe the game we are in.. other wise we cant fully experience our limits.. I totally think this is exactly what is needed when facing being in all situations.. rather than with an intent to suffer or to make other suffer. go there with complete equanimity and see what happens... reallly become the experience.. dont try and fix it.. its possibly gods hardest work.. to reach into ones dark resesses and be compassionate and unjudging.. I dont know yet. im still trying to work this out .. maybe I cant but im compelled to try.. as deep down.. secretly I want the goodies of life too.. hmmm. Im not sure.. does not sound very equanimous.. there must be a way of accepting and being compassionate with our shadow selves, after all It could be that every dark force comes from a basis of Love.. im not sure i fully believe that all mass murderers do it from a basis of greed.. i think if we where to dig down further we would find some form of love there.. I think there is a belief out there that darkness and evil exist.. but I have a feeling it does not and that its this belief that it exists that is the evil itself... and that we can forgive and be compassionate in every circumstance... Behind every mass murderer is a beautiful creation of love and joy, locked in false belief?? No sure if i am explaining right..

id say im resonating with this too.. in the big picture this may not be necessary for everyone.. I guess we represent this perspective for those who wish it.. I would never suggest we are doing something that people need to do.. Im gather your pretty similar.. Please don't take me as ever correcting or educating I am more exploring and resonating /expressing what comes up within me.. its just interesting . I value your view point and am trying hard not to alter your input.. I don't know about that.. there are times when exploration are prime.. I would not say exploration is a positive emotion.. it has different qualities tho.. id prefer to classify humans as seekers.. all of us are seeking something.. quiet,riches,education, status,peace.. its just a residual of being dualistic.. and that's ok.. suffering exist only as far as we maintain dualistic thought's and actions. as long as we keep judging and categorising things we suffer... suffering is ok to though.. we are allowed to suffer but the point is we don't have to if we don't want to... This hints that there is some clinging to desire.. which ultimately is suffering.. theres no getting away from it.. the only relationship we do not suffer is one we are not in.. so its not about who we are in a relationship with .. its about how conscious we are and how we flow in any particular situation.. i.e. things can be our worst nightmare or our greatest salvation.. it just depends on us.. Yeah, relationships to allot of people seem like a mutually beneficial arrangement, rather than what it could be a flow... in general what we seek from our partners these days is something we have a lack of rather than just flowing with what they are and making art.. Well possibly, leave is a definite option but youd see it differently to and possibly act quiet differently too.. which could transcend the friction altogether.. from another perspective,, no disrespect,, you where in a situation that was dysfunctional because you where incapable operating it in a functional way.. im not blaming you or the other or the situation as a whole.. im just saying if you where enlightened how diff it would have been.. please im not condoning people stay in situations they cant handle .im just saying, pointing the finer is pointless and missing opportunity for you to grow.. you don't have to if you don't want to.. but no is forcing you to.. I just don't thinks its acceptable to point finger and lay blame and walk away from something wit no responsibility.. there is soooo much we can do in every situation if we choose. the other and the external world is almost irrelevant.. I totally agree, all you can do is focus on you.... if he felt sad and depressed,, most people try and cheer him up and fix his situation... im suggesting turn that on its head and see how that makes you feel and change yourself instead.. accept him for who he is, then all of a sudden you don't need to fix him and he does not feel that pressure from you that he needs fixing.. this is just the start.. hope im explaining that correctly.. Accept he is hurting and be ok with that.. No need to help him.. he is doing his own thing,, who to say he needs helping.. id say letting him be would be more unconditional Let go a bit, and See the situation as the miracle of life.. we don't really know if that situation is ultimately bad.. why would we add our view to it and makes it even worse.. At th time you probably where allowing it.. but that's ok.. you see it now and don't need to in the future If you opened this up youd probably see this statement is full of more stuff you could change about yourself.. I think you get the picture?? Or realise there are no really dysfunctional relationships, just as there is no failure.. it realy depends on your perspective and judgement.. I agree, but some people cant see that.its part of there narrative they think they are stuck in.. me included.. That was long.. hahaha. Thanks for the discussion, it was very,.... resonant.. xx

Do we really know what is better?? could it not be that this terrible affliction could actually turn out to be a blessing..?? When I look back on my life. allot of terrible moment grew to be great seeds of opportunity.. Its just way too hard to pick what a good life is.. It is what it is.. I don't think anyone here would admit being actualised is better its just different and we can see things others cant. Some might even call us delusional overthinkiners... Soo it makes no real difference.. but we are still drawn to it and that's ok cos we choose to live this way.. And we can go back at any moment if we choose..

to be fair. your external situation can be totally independent of your internal situation if you choose.. we all allow our external situation determine our inner state to some degree, but we don't need to.. In some situations we can use our external situation to bring about growth.. Who has never experienced growth after having there heart smashed to pieces?? in the big picture it may be that it does not matter if we are enlightened or unlightened as the universe may need to be in balance at all times.. But individually we can choose if we want to fill that role or not,, and we choose if living that way is acceptable or not.. lets face it.. some people love being selfish and or materialistic.. That's great too..

@Emerald may I challenge you on this point.. I totally 100% agree,, you probably should not ride a horse you cant handle... so its totally appropriate to avoid those situations if you do choose to continue.. However, there are some here that could certainly take an unheathly plant and make it blossom.. In could actually be our responsibility to do that.. not in a,,," your broken and im going to fix you way", but in more of a, non judgemental compassionate, we are one kind of way... Some people here have tremendous awareness and are the antidote for those who suffer terribly.. Again, im not suggesting the balance is wrong in the world cos we don't know that.. it could be in perfect balance at all times.. So only do it if you have the capabilities and the desire.. pointless trying if you don't know how and feel pressured to do so..

@Nichols Harvey again , I get the grown up , mature, common sense paradigm.. Its no reflection of our entire existence.. its a tough pill to swallow. It possible we cant fail .. even if our life is a failure.... per say... Feel how " freeing that is", but also, opens up a whole other can of worms that most cant process.. "what now" This is why I am here.. I too initially came here to have more success in life.. bit by bit though that's slipping away..

@Nichols Harvey from the reference point of surviving in a physical body, yeah sure.. but we have this whole other side that could be better informed with our existential stuff.. It cant do us any harm to be at least aware of our mind body.. and just keep an eye on it insight and knowledge can be interpreted so dfiferently between two people.. I personally dont really rate knowledge.. it can be a double edge sword.. Im kinda gathering your here because you want more from life.. more functionality, better faster fitter,more successfull.. I did too, but am now opting for something else.. exploring just for exploring sake.. and improvement in Functinality is just a secondary byproduct.... ??? To be fair, kids can be enlightented. its not something that can be hard earned, but it could improve your chances.. who isnt?? because guess what, nobody knows what this is all about.. nobody.. maybe we are all doing IT wrong.. And Ultimately if you can face all your fears and truly accept the now for what it is and not add any of our functional bullshit.. im pretty sure we would be sooooooo far from normal people probably would label you dysfunctional.. see what I am saying.. judgement is completely referential and pointless.. again I think you here cos you want better performance outa life.. thats ok, but im sure others are here because we know theres more than being functional and validated for all our HARD earned knowledge.. LOL Look I really here what your saying,, all this should be about becoming more functional.. I get it but there is a place you can get to with this stuff that losing your job may not really matter.. it probably a bit deep for you, and may scare you off a bit.. There is a small chance that your circumstances are you.. if you think about that for about a day.. youll be .. Oh shit. My circumstance is a reflection of me.. Its deep and out there but there is some reason to accept this as reality.. so running around and trying to OPTIMISE your external situation could be like lifting yourself up with your own shoe laces.. not sure if Im explaining this right. butt..

@egoeimai youve been around the traps a bit here.. Suprised me, that youd let this get you wound up so much.. Curious..

probably no need to comment .. either its a trigger for them in which case its only going to make things worse or your being baited to respond.. who knows.. it does not really matter.. could be an idea just to be aware of it and watch in yourself and how you feel compeeled to justify yourself or correct someone else.. remember.. this is mostly about us .. anyone who has been here for a while should be able to grasp the idea that pointing the finger is more a reflection of ourselves..

yes there is.. it is what it is and it could be there for a good reason.. however theres no need for us to get upset about that.. live and let live??

@Emerald Id add that there is a bit of judgement and labelling going on here.. dysfunctional and NON-dysfunctional.. To be fair if we where really in the now and really aware of ourselves and how much we really Dont know about things, I think we would be way more forgiving of peoples actions and our scope of possible partners would be significantly broader.. I mean if you where really accepting , youd see beauty in lots of things.. actually the limiting factor to seeing everything as amazing and beautiful is basically our own preconceptions.. Take some drugs in controlled situations and pretty much anything because beautiful, youll also understand that love is a give not a reciprocating door....

@egoeimai Aren we all predudiced against most things external to ourselves.. Isnt this a form of prejudice..?? The more I dig into all this stuff.. I cant throw any stones either.. somehow magically, an appreciation for all things arises.. no matter there miscomings.. It kinda makes the nonsense issue we talk about loose relevance.. I dont feel bitter or upset.. ,, actually kinda looks a bit funny, watching people play there games.. I cant do it all the time,, and I can only do it to external situations, its a lil bit harder to do to myself..

Ok your walking down the street with you pride and joy.. (wife, daughter, son, car, watch, iphone ) An a alternate dimensional being presents itself and gives you a few options.. Step into this beam and go to whatever you desire, be it, heaven, a reality where you super hot, loaded ... whatever.. But you cant keep your current body (its got to be obliterated in the process. You can do this with your prised possession if you like too but you cant do it together. one has to go first and alone. Remain and you need to have some alterations done in order to bring balance to the world, maybe a bit of mind stuff and a shift in your awareness or something. But the changes will be decided by this being or be turned into plant food there and then This is all you know and you cant ask any further questions, to me or the being.. you can ponder and take as long as you like but you have do it where you are. food and beverages provided What do you do...???

So Ive been following a bunch of people, just wanted to know if people could comment or at least point me in the direction of character reviews of some of the other Gurus, yogis, PD leaders.. add to this as you see fit Sadhguru Bentinho Massaro Naked reality (Rally) Ekhart Tolle My feelings and reviews of each Sadhguru Obviously enlightened, how high? probably more so than others on my list Has his own agenda though Does have a nice refreshing outllook I think fairly stable Bentinho Massaro Enlightened, probably equal second with Ekhart focused on the now Is a bit to energetic to be realtable.. Loves to talk and ramble fairly concise though, a few random out there left field things like aliens...( which is a bit weird) trys hard to explain things but I really struggle to see what he is talking about Naked reality (Rally) Probably the least enlightened relatable, fun, cheeky.. Probably very close to sadgurus playfullness, message is a bit all over the place Ekhart Tolle Very concise only really talks about the one thing the nowness of things semi relatable, kind and warm and genuine though

@sgn He is a funny character.. mind you i am finding his love drawl a bit off.. but in general I am somewhat drawn to his lax approach. I think I prefered it better when he didnt take it too seriously.. Yeah at the moment he is wandering off onto the Love train.. Like alan watts jokingly says.. If people start walking the streets holding hands and sing songs about love and peace.. Lock your doors and Buy a gun.. lol..

@Joseph Maynor Ill give it look! @Steph1988 Alan watts ! terence mckenna and all that sort, have a really great way of articulating trips tooo.. Love how they wind things around and get meaningful insights.. Very entertaining and engaging.. Verbal art.. Like!!

@SOUL Yeah .. I like that..

Most days , I wake up pretty happy to have just opened my eyes, things go left or things go right,, not problems, it is what it is,, Except this morning.. I see something that I like, something my ego wants, some inner desire.. completely egoic right.. I love that thing , Its creative beautiful subtle, lush... Im smitten.. So what did I do?? I got rid of it and tried to block it out of my day.. WTF Im thinking, why couldn't I have just appreciated it and not made it some big drama about whether I could have it or not, and then the whole denial thing.. Have you had days like this?? What did you do?? Do I try and see the big picture, pull myself back into line? admit I don't and cant have as My ego wishes?? Confused..

So I am floating along.. mostly pretty appreciative of this experience.. However I feel pretty passive and not sure if I have anything absolutely compelling to offer or contribute.. There are a few things I think I could contribute but have not to date, as I am not so unhappy with the way things are.. I don't really resonate with the idea of giving people what they think they want.. I somehow feel that's feeding more delusions in the world.. Actually , Im really undecided on this point. I guess I could if that meant I could be in a state of flow.... Or something.. Anyways interested in your point of view and how this resonates.. Appreciate any input..

I guess the trick is how to embody desired feelings and experiences without identifying with them... great discussion..

Yes I get this.. Its just that sometimes I cant see its in my mind it really seems real..it comes over you so quickly and with emotion that it kinda blind sides you.. I think the key is practice watching the the thoughts and emotions that arise from situations and just trying to stay aware of the difference between the two.. Yes I agree with this .. Maybe an example might help to clarify this?? Im interested on this point but cant seem to synchronise with it... ?? I think I more identify with being forfilled.. I can easily see that I don't need the object or experience in that exact moment.. I just need to really appreciate just the thought and feeling of that said experience.. Surely this should be enough.. I think so many think that if they say to themselves 1000 times I am rich. they will get it.. Im more along the lines of if you embody the ideas and experience of being rich then you've already arrived.. and hence it will probably manifest eventually anyways.. Is this what you mean??

very true..

@S33K3R I guess maybe I was expecting more.. your right though if I so am just a flash in the pan.. that's good to I spose..