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@ajasatya Yeah definitely. This is important to remember. Many people have said that Mooji has influenced them profoundly for the better and that's what matters. I love teachers who can lead you very easily to direct experiences of the truth. Adyashanti's stuff is great as he has such a loving, gentle approach and his teachings are so easy to understand. Also Rupert Spira, because it's all very empirical and based on actually experiencing what's there, but I think the absolute Grandaddy of them all is Peter Ralston. For me he's the absolute best as teaching you what's true in your actual experience and understanding the effects that concepts have on moving you away from the truth, into ego. His delivery is so woke too, the way he uses his body and contrasts in his speech and tone. @Etherial Cat Hell yes, Tolle broke my spiritual cherry back in the day and I listen to him all of the time. When I read the Power of Now....man, life became completely fresh for me and I wouldn't be here having this discussion now. I was actually practicing 'space consciousness' only a few minutes ago. He's so damn funny too. @Shin Definitely dude. This is Leo's strength I think, that he stresses more than any other guru how important it is to do the work yourself. Of every guru I'd say that Leo has had the greatest impact on my life and general level of happiness. Especially as he introduced me to psychedelics. Not many of them do that. @Amber Thanks for that Amber. It's good to hear from someone who's actually met Mooji. I'm leaning towards being in the pro-Mooji camp now. Although I don't fancy kissing his feet. I'll suck him dry, obviously, but feet kissing is just plain wrong.

@winterknight Who would you say is the best guru you can watch on YouTube?

@winterknight I see, thanks for shedding some light here. Perhaps my mistake is once again assuming that enlightened masters have no ego, or the capacity to get frustrated or annoyed. I know you've explained before that this isn't the case. It wasn't so much that he challenged her that niggled at me, it was the way he did it, with no tenderness present. He even looked self-consciously aware of how he was coming across. Perhaps if he'd been more confident with it.... But I'm aware these are all my relative assumptions, based on very limited information. What are your thoughts on Mooji in general? Does he come across as legit to you? What do you think about some of the behaviour at his retreats, like people kissing his feet, singing songs of praise to him, etc? I guess it's no different than some of the things we see happening with Sadhguru and his followers, or is it?

@Shin Go to 15.00 if you want to see him fully dismissing her experience and looking insulted. But the whole video is interesting.

I watched one clip by Mooji where one of this 'followers' tells him she's had a kundalini awakening and he's really dismissive of it. She then asks him (probably as a veiled insult as she's annoyed) have you ever experienced this? Mooji then looks so pissed. He says something like 'my darling, that's child's play.' I was quite taken aback by the level of ego that Mooji displayed here. In another clip he tells someone to be quiet and stop talking, like he's a school teacher or something. One guy I spoke to who'd been to a Mooji retreat said that he stared long and hard into Mooji's eyes and saw nothing, only a hollow void....lol. No love etc. Just my two cents. Apparently Papaji, Mooji's guru, stated that many of his disciples were acting as fake gurus. Not sure if he ever mentioned Mooji in specific though. Might be worth doing some research.

I bet she yells out in praise when Mooji feeds her his tremendous girth

@Shin You're too good at this. Is that you Mooji?

@ShinIl I'll follow you Shin, but please don't make me suck, that's all I ask

@JohnnyBravo Could it be that because you've devoted yourself so strongly to this viewpoint, making a documentary etc, that you're now more inclined to defend it, despite there being contrary evidence out there? After all, it's just a way for people to start chatting. They still have to go through the same process they would do if they met anywhere, dating etc. Have you had some bad experiences yourself that have shaped this opinion?

I too can attest to the power of using social media to find love. I met my girlfriend on Bumble.

@28 cm unbuffed Well, yeah, it's hard to say what the kids reaction would be. I wasn't so much bothered about that side of things, it was more my behaviour in general I guess. This is what psychedelics do to you, just show you the truth of your actions. For me, it's not so much about harming the women I slept with, as they all knew the score, I'm just thinking about the women I upset by being so lewd. I was terrible sometimes, saying really graphic stuff to see if I could turn them around. If I'm being honest I kind of got off on the power of it, being able to say whatever I wanted. It used to excite me, the idea that they might react in the same way and say something smutty back. If you just say 'I don't want anything serious,' that's not so bad. Perhaps if you agree to go on a couple of dates and just have some fun. But I'd literally be like 'we meet and have sex, that's it, non negotiable.' That was crazy really as if I'd have put in a bit more effort with them I could have had sex with them, but I was so damn lazy and like I said, I wanted absolute power. I just hate the idea that I may have caused some women to lower their opinion of men. I know that would be their decision, but I want to be more responsible moving forward, less selfish. One think my recent trip showed me was just how selfish I am. As for morality and truth, well morality is a fabrication, so there's nothing true about it. I'm thinking about the truth of why I was doing what I was doing, the selfishness of it. It's very hard to raise your consciousness when you're focused on getting more of the pie yourself. We need to pick the ego to pieces, to remove Maya.

@JohnnyBravo That was a nice post I'm very pleased to have surprised you. I'm gonna wear my gold star very proudly! For sure, there's a lot of ego in the world, a lot of people defending themselves, but hey, how are we ever to grow and raise our consciousness with that attitude? Let's call things what they are. Egoic, selfish behaviour is just that, plain and simple. Thinking back on it, I pissed off a lot of women by propositioning them like that, perhaps even put them off online dating. Sure I got my kicks, a few woman got some kicks too (I'd like to think), but how much suffering did I cause? And how did I manage to turn a blind eye to that so effectively? Because...I was getting my kicks. The ego can justify low consciousness behaviour in many sneaky ways. So, if anyone chooses to use my approach, go ahead, I won't moralise, but at least be honest about what you're doing, why you're doing it and consider the karmic result of your actions.

@JohnnyBravo Yeah, big time dude. Thanks for calling me out on this. Some serious introspecting needed on my part. I would delete/hide my post or whatever but I'd rather leave it there and be authentic. I have removed the photo for now. This was/is the state of my ego. I'm gonna think about this long and hard...Goddamn it, what's wrong with me? Took a hit of LSD today and I'm quite shocked reading this earlier post of mine. Thanks for being straight up honest with me here. Much love

@Amadeusz @Markus They key to it is though, you have to yell it with wild abandon, not say it with concentrated intensity whilst staring into her eyes. Like, just as you start to bust a nut, throw your head back and yell 'Oh my God I love you so much! Fuck yeah I love you baby!' Then as you're both lying there panting say 'shit, sorry about that. I don't know where that came from. We cool?' Then see what she says. Just like @Amadeusz says, show her you love her, don't just say it. That's why this approach works well. Because you're showing her and telling her simultaneously

My pleasure man. Sure, some girls will get pissed off. Girls on Tinder probably receive this approach more. But Bumble is a classier app (free by the way) and I think more typical 'gentlemen' go on there. Seriously, try it out. The caveat with this is you have to have a good pic that makes you look like a gentlemen - paradox huh? I'm suited up in my pic at a wedding, looking like fucking royalty. (Photo removed - deep contemplation needed on current state of consciousness) That photo has got me so much pussy it's a joke. The fact that I'm holding the baby's hand too - it works on them on so many levels..Women want to be dominated by a gentlemen probably, not some seedy little fuckboy, which is basically what I am lol. Just a pic with your shirt on, looking classy or whatever. Also remember, if they get pissed off or say no, don't try and persuade them straight away. Play it cool and say 'that's no problem, good luck on your search.' Sometimes they'll come back with 'why do you just want sex?' Or something like that. Then you can weasel your way in there with something like 'Because that's love to me, and I want to experience as much love as possible in my life.'

@luqqzr All I can do is tell you my approach. Most will say it's awful advice but it worked for me. I was using the app Bumble (Tinder has too many skanks) but it will work on Tinder too. Basically, you just tell them straight away you want to have sex with them. Ask 'fancy some no strings sex?' Or say 'I'm not looking for anything serious, just fun.' Lots of women will refuse but you'll find some will be intrigued. I think this works because most men are wanting sex anyway and bullshitting, trying to be all romantic. This honest approach is refreshing to women. Also, lots of women just want sex too, but they don't want to admit it. If you want a relationship...this approach will still work. You just get to have sex nice and early and see where it goes from there. That's how I met my current girlfriend. She agreed to come over and screw me and now we've been together for two years. What a story for the grandkids huh? lol You have to be confident to make this work though. Don't pussy out if they get a bit offended. Just ask them 'what's the matter with sex?" Sometimes you can make them realise that they'r living in a repressed culture that makes them think sex with strangers is wrong and you can actually open them up spiritually and cure their neurosis, so you're also doing charitable work Be different my friend. Tell them, this is what I want, let's make love all night. You can be romantic with the sex thing if you still want the romantic approach. Like you can say 'I'll go down on you all night..' Now that's romance. Fuck candles and expensive meals. Why do you think most guys never get laid when they try and do the whole 'dating' thing? Because they say some dumb shit and put the women off way too early. Don't give her a chance to judge who you are too deeply. Just tell her where it's at. You're a predator, a dominator, a seducer. Women love that shit, most of them anyway. They want to be dominated. They want to be a conquest, because it makes them feel like a woman.

Say it just as you're ejaculating, then you can put it down to just 'being in the moment' if she doesn't say it back.

@Highest Dammit weed just makes me paranoid as hell these days and I can't do anything spiritual on it. I smoked too much for too long I think. This is awesome though dude!

One issue I'm having with self inquiry is, Leo talks about 'focusing' on awareness, almost as if it's a concentration exercise, but Rupert Spira says that it's about relaxing your attention as you can't make awarenesses into an object. He says that it's a 'non practice' that requires you not to do anything at all with your attention. You just let it fall back into itself. Any ideas where my confusion lies? Maybe their outlining two different approaches for arriving at the same result. Spira does mention self inquiry at the end of this video, almost as if it's slightly different. He refers to it as a 'concession' in the teaching to help you get to the stage he's referring to.

@Truth Addict Thanks a lot for all your help on this one buddy. I actually had an awakening experience on the same day we were having this discussion, perhaps because you encouraged me to talk about why I was on the path. I think that asserting this, my desire for connection and transcending ego, may have activated something, but who knows.

This is all awesome guys. I'll answer in a bit more depth soon. I had a mini mystical experience tonight so I want to take some time out to integrate it before I get lost in monkey mind lol. Much love to you all

@Truth Addict Regarding the whole 'wasting time' thing, I think I feel that way because so many people practice this stuff their whole lives and don't become enlightened. You also hear people like Adyashanti and Rupert Spira say things like 'it took me years to realise that this approach was wrong.' For example Adya was using concentration meditation for years before he realised that residing as awareness was the best way to reach enlightenment. I can't help but feel that if someone can correct me or help me avoid a mistake which is easily rectified, then that's preferable to discovering it on my own. But I might be wrong about this. As for what I'm after..that's a good question and something I need to contemplate more. I guess I want to experience (although it's not an experience as such) the bliss, love and peace that comes from realising my true nature, because identifying with ego has certainly not helped in this regard, especially by engaging with lower needs you mentioned. I want to connect with the whole as I can feel it calling to me. I don't want to be separate, I want to become the truth. Yes I know, I...I...I....I lol. I may not be as underdeveloped as I appear to be. I think I come across as a bit of a rookie as I ask a lot of questions and don't claim to have had any mystical experiences, but I have felt the calling of Teotl my friends The seed of my true nature grows within me and gets stronger every day. So I want what any sincere seeker on the pathless path wants...to let this seed of truth shine and to remove Maya.

@Anton Rogachevski Hey buddy! Glad you dig my questions Ok, so it's not a question of choosing one, it's about the situation and what's required, where I choose to flap or glide...I can dig that. I also need to develop the faith that in time, with enough patience and presence, the answers will be revealed to me

@abrakamowse So once we discover what's behind the sense of 'I am,' we discover our true nature? What, in your experience, is the best way to get there?

@Truth Addict I was quite intrigued by Leo's method of self inquiry that he outlines in his new video though, which entails just observing observation/awareness, without questions. Questions through me off a bit as I can easily get lost in monkey mind again. This is the challenge of spirituality I find, honing your techniques, experimenting. Also, when you don't really know the end result you're after, this makes matters harder as you have nothing to measure yourself by. I struggle with the idea that I'm doing something wrong and wasting time. Thanks everyone for your help