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But is consciousness really dependent on the appearances arising in it ("matter" and "gravity")? Hands and eyes, etc are appearances in consciousness too. To perceive an apparent egg, there needs to be an apparent body/mind perceiving it, yes. But both perceiver and perceived are appearances in consciousness... depend on consciousness for their apparent "existence"... which is ultimately illusory.

Oh ok, thanks for rephrasing. The egg appears as a separate thing that appears to come from another apparently separate thing (a chicken).... that seemingly needs "gravity" to appear. *every "thing" appearing in consciousness, of course

Yes... all appearances in consciousness. What do you mean by "exist upon itself"? (Sorry if you've already explained this... can you explain again or copy and paste a previous explanation?)

This is getting interesting I don't know what would and wouldn't appear to be if apparent gravity ceased to appear. I can use my imagination but that would just be conjecture. All I know (can know) is that consciousness is.

Yes... all of those "things" appear in consciousness and are made out of consciousness. The apparent egg appears to fall to an apparent carpet by an apparent force labelled as gravity.

@Emanyalpsid Yes, feeling arises from the sense of touch... and all I know of touch is the knowing of it. And all I can know of the sense organs is the knowing of them. The falling of the egg is a movement of finite mind... which is an appearance in consciousness. (lol... This is getting tricky to put into words!)

@Emanyalpsid I feel the "egg" with my "hand" (through my sense of touch)... but "egg" and the feeling "hand" are appearances in consciousness, made out of consciousness. If I relax my fingers, the egg falls on the carpet. Relaxed fingers, the egg, the falling of the egg, the carpet... everything appears in consciousness. Knowledge = Consiousness Infinite consciousness looks through the finite mind and a seeming world made of matter/separate objects appears.

@Emanyalpsid I am now holding an egg. Here's my direct experience: All I know of the egg is 1) the experience of seeing (which is an experience of the mind, not matter), 2) the experience of touching (also an experience of mind, not matter), 3) the experience of hearing... if I thump it (more mind, not matter), 4) the experience of taste... if I lick it (...mind), and 5) the experience of smell (...mind). What are seeing, touching, hearing, tasting, and smelling made of?... All that's there is the knowing of sensory experience... There is only knowledge (or consciousness). No one has ever or will ever experience anything outside of consciousness. Consciousness can't experience anything other than consciousness... because consciousness is all there is. Here's a Rupert Spira video on exploring "matter":

"...And Love is not a victory march; It's a cold and it's a broken Hallelujah."

I'm reminded of the quote: “In the midst of winter, I found there was, within me, an invincible summer." - Albert Camus

Sorry if this is a repost from another thread:

Excellent advice. Knowing is Being is Loving @Emanyalpsid I like your backwards "displaynamE".

@tashawoodfall I enjoyed listening to your friend's music! Thanks for sharing.

Nicely put. Only illusions are born, have separate little lives, and then die.

@lmfao

Man, this is going to be hard to put into words... Here goes nothing (or everything... ): When you realize there is no "me", you see clearly that you are not a "thing" (i.e. that you are "no-thing")...; you see that you are the awareness in which all things (every-thing) appear. So, there's you/awareness as the subect... and then there are all objects appearing in you. But then, you realize that all objects (every-thing) is, in fact, not separate from the subject (you/awareness). There is no subject that is separate from objects, because objects aren't really there... They just appear to be there. In reality, objects are just fleeting, apparent modifications of the eternal subject (you/awareness)... So, you see that every-thing is you/awareness, in essence... (which is basically the same as saying "awareness is awareness"... lol.... When you cut out the redundancy of that, you get: "Awareness, alone, is.") So, to sum up: you go from "I am something" to "I am no-thing" to "I am every-thing" to "I, alone, am" Rupert says it better, though :

Escape into Reality by Michal Trpak https://goo.gl/images/SpHSdN

Some lovely videos on Love: 1. A Rumi poem set to a harp version of Metallica's "Nothing Else Matters" : and 2. a Rupert Spira video (starting at 5:00):

I think when people say "you shouldn't care what people think" they really mean to say "you shouldn't mind what people think." I mean, it's good to "care" what people think... if "caring" = respecting and valuing the other person's perspective and being willing to look at things from their POV... even if it's completely different from and/or clashes with yours. But, it's not healthy to "mind" what other people think ... if "minding" = worrying and obsessing that the other person's perspective will clash with yours and so you try to alter your perspective just so it can mesh with theirs in order to please them... or you withhold your perspective altogether, and just go along with theirs in order to avoid any potential awkwardness or confrontation....

I agree with this. If you resonate with Leo's advice, then take it and move on. If you don't, then leave it and move on. (Just my perspective.)