Jahmaine

If someone discovers that someone is trying to kill you, for a fact, then tells you about it, is that a fear based conspiracy? And who’s projecting the fear, the one alerting the other or the one receiving it? or is too “us vs them”? - what does that mean though in this context? How does it make it worth not entertaining? - coz we’re all one and it doesn’t matter? Whats the thought process here? Would alerting Jesus he’s about to get put on a cross be a fear based conspiracy theory to just ignore? Would Martin Luther king fighting for a racial inequality be “us vs them”? So should’ve not acted upon it? Or all the monks around were too spiritual to participate or agree? What does the us vs them mentality mean? Division? does that mean because we’re all one that all goes for everyone? What’s the thought process behind that and why does it make invalid? If someone tells me “hey that group of people are trying rape your daughter and kill you, here’s the proof, do what you want with it” if I feel fear does that mean it’s because the person told me it is fear based or is it because fear arose in me and I projected it?

2:00-4:00 An inflated ego or an honest to-the-point ego? or a combination of both?

Yeah I’d agree with that, I feel the same. Obviously I don’t feel like he needs hospitalisation, but just seeing if he’s okay really and see how other people feel about it.

What is it and what makes it good or bad?

Fair enough that makes sense What if I (myself) told you (other) that Leo (for argument sake) has a plan to kill you and *here is the proof* - have I created an Us (me and you) vs Them (Leo)? And is there a problem with it? Should you ignore me showing you because “we’re all one”? Does the more enlightened person not participate in such a thing as “he” wants to “kill” “you”? What if a group of enlightened monks was told there was a plot to kill them, would they not be bothered because it’s creating an Us (monks) and them (those that want to kill)?

How about writing a manifesto about how all other teachers ever are wrong and you’re right? Even if it’s true, the fact it was done in a manner that says you’re wrong and I’m right - I personally think is a sign of the holy man syndrome, that’s just my view. Could’ve just wrote a manifesto about the deep teachings itself. It doesn’t even need to mention anyone else - or it could at least reference them and show the truth of theirs and include the “higher truth” of his own.

That’s fair enough. I was generally asking for people’s opinions towards Leo and his mental state. Just to make sure he’s all good really, things up close look different from afar, if we was to look at his behaviour and such like from an outside point of view (someone who hasnt been following Actualized religious), how does it look or stand up? Has the ego been inflated because of the God experience? Has it been integrated? Is he creating an Us vs Them complex by putting “all other teachers” beneath him? Or are people just going to say that he actually means it and it is the case so it’s true? Being awake just looks delusional to everyday people? Anyone that challenges him is just not conscious enough and is projecting? Or that it doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things, if he’s deluded or not it doesn’t matter. Even if some of those hold truth, it doesn’t always come across like and he personally doesn’t hold himself up to scrutiny like he does to other - at least that’s how he acts on the forum and on videos sometimes.

Reminds me Leo a bit. Why is the idea of Us vs Them so bad? Because we’re all one?

That’s fair enough, do you think fear based things shouldn’t be acted upon because it’s fear based? Okay that’s great, what do you think a fully enlightened person would do if they was in a position to save a life or multiple lives? Would they do nothing because it’s fear based and they don’t identify with being a meat bag? Would any interaction with it make them “less spiritual”? Are they able to “help” the “other” in a non dual way? If these are so, then in all seriousness, would it not be an apparent subjective Utopia if there was a world full of rulers and dictators with a world of fully enlightened people that don’t really care anyway? Both parties would have their ideal reality.

It’s more for him really, if it is the case, it could be helpful to bring such things to his attention, I appreciate what he’s bought to the table and I’m sure his community can give back if they so choose.

I’d agree also - id say the collective ego deceives itself in the same way, both on an individual and collect level, the ego conspires against itself to make itself grander. Would be helpful if there were people that could help others see how the deception can influence behaviour.

Yeah Leo’s secret plot with the new age movement to misdirect and harm people with psychedelics. I could imagine dogmatic religious people saying something like that.

The only way someone can know how true something is is to validate it yourself. I could present a case that says Leo is a conspiracy theorist, he’s someone that thinks psychedelics will do this and that to you with no evidence. Is it not a conspiracy itself to dismiss and undermine someone as “just a conspiracy theorist” without validating it yourself. Conspiring against “those over there” the “conspiracy theorist” . I could hear about Leo, just throw him in any old category - “that new age guy” and say, well there could be some truth around what he says, but he’s still from new age - it’s coming from an assumption of ‘he’s still incorrect in his perception’ he’s just trying to get money from you/ he’s projecting his insecurities on you/ he doesn’t want to take responsibility for life maybe it is that, in a certain sense if there is a global conspiracy happening and people choose to ignore and dismiss it in the most textbook style way of doing it, then I could argue that people don’t want to take responsibility for it, don’t want to feel responsible for contributing to the world in such a way, it’s too much to handle - then just hiding being the “them vs us” or “spiral dynamics” - ‘being too spiritual for that’ consider if there is a global conspiracy happening it is everyone’s responsibility to what outcome comes from it - this is not debatable. There could be a dystopian world full of Buddhist monks that don’t care. Would out great for both parties.

Even calling them theories is undermining term, it’d be conspiracy research I’d say personally. They don’t self identify with it being a theory obviously - how simplistic do you think people are? If I just term people as “new age hippies” does that mean that’s what they are? - if it’s just anyone that I see go vegan. ; so are you lot saying that get so conscious that you don’t care about the rest of humanity because we’re all one? If the Buddha found out someone wanted to kill you, for a fact, he wouldn’t act upon it because he’s too conscious? - genuine question. Where’s the open-mindedness? You mum hatched in an egg. As if someone like David Icke would write like 20 books of incorrect information and people are soo dumb that just can’t figure out he’s lying. You know what’s a joke, nearly everything I’ve learned from Leo, I’ve learned from David Icke prior in his talks and books, I’ve learned from him about the nature of reality, the quantum physics of it, the electromagnetic spectrum, psychological principles like Cognitive Dissonance, Stockholm syndrome, bystand effect, how the reptilian brain stem causes reactivate responses and fight or flight, cult mind control, being infinite awareness having a human experience, using psychedelics (ayahuasca), psychic phenomena, how the many control the few, how the system is rigged, how to be open to all possibility - I can find you a video right now that includes all of these things in one, so I’ve found that credible and then years later Leo then comes and explains it again but there a different lense. So I personally have validated a lot for myself and find these people credibile, ironically in this case for me David Icke was further validated in the future by people like Leo; people here should know about how cults work (Leo’s cult video), how the system works (wage slavery video), how people understand the world differently and are at different stages (spiral dynamics), so when someone brings it all together and says hey look at this, then gets termed “conspiracy theorist” why can’t people look at something for them selves in the same critical way, it’s ad hominem- it’s only because it’s David Icke or Alex Jones, because other people tell you what to think about them you choose to discredit it. Just like when people attack Leo in response videos, people here defend him and say that they don’t know Leo properly, so until you do, you can’t make as much articulate points. Where are the stage yellows at? Multi perspective.

Alright, you’ve all made great points. What if I frame it like this: those that are less conscious are destroying the world and trying to manipulate everyone else? We know from spiral dynamics and such like that the “lower developed” people are prone to this type of behaviour. So as has been pointed out by many, this “great awakening” is intertwined with the “conspiracy” - basically can humanity become conscious enough to stop us from destroying ourselves. Then the “conspiracy theorists” are just detailing how the unconscious mind is creating havoc - with the intention of increasing awareness and spirituality amongst those that are less conscious? you could say it’s the Biblical Armageddon - with consciousness keep humanity alive or will unconsciousness destroy us. Also with conspiracy theories, just like religions, just like cults - if you don’t validate the truth in them for yourself and live by it, you just come across like it’s a belief for you and you don’t know what you’re talking about. Imagine a Christian that just “believes” all the stories, compared with a Christian that’s studied in depth and extrapolated the truth from it, they could still be the same things, but the later would have a genuine understand and validation to what they’re saying - the same is with conspiracies, some just believe it and don’t know what they’re talking about - many for a sense of community, but then there’s some that take it seriously and can validate what they say, same thing happens on this forum, there’s all these mini Leo’s that just say what he says but clearly have no in depth understanding and how Leo articulated it, which is obvious in the way that they explain it - just like in this work, if you don’t validate it for yourself then you’re just talking nonsense, you literally have no idea what you’re talking about, it’s just a belief.

Yeah I get that exactly and it makes sense. My whole point being that Leo talks about conspiracy theories from “David Icke and Alex jones” as though they’re only fear based and have an Us vs Them complex, I’m just questioning what that actually means and does that mean It’s something to ignore? so I’m a simplistic form my question is basically like saying: Am I a crazy deluded person that’s only doing it for money and can’t take responsibility for my life if I tell you that I found out someone wants to kills you? And because of the Us vs Them complex, does it not matter because we’re all one? because that way of thinking is what I’m getting from what Leo’s been sayin, correct me, show me where I’m misinformed.

So if Alex Jones said it and proved it, then people dismiss it? But if someone “credible” done the exact same thing, then it’d be more taken seriously? - if it’s just a transfer of information, literally just saying “look at this, what do you think?” then I don’t really feel like the person saying or showing it really matters; can a scam artist teach you 5 x 5 = 25 with the working out there, or you going to no believe him and dismiss it because you think he’s most likely lying? wheres the critical thinking? It is what it is, if someone is presenting a case that they claim they can validate, unless you validate it yourself then it’s just hear-say or the opposite being ad-hominem. Like I said in the message above, where’s the fear coming from, if I tell you something and you get scared then that’s your responsibility, you don’t have to be scared by it- in this case of Alex Jones, is he only doing it because he’s scared? Perhaps. But it can also be because he genuinely cares, I could have “fear” for your life, in a genuine compassionate way, so it really depends on how the person is expressing it and how the people receive it.

Yeah that’s fair enough, I guess you could say in my example above there was a “fear” that someone else could die - but also I could choose to have genuine concern and compassion - so it’s a choice of perspective - a choice between fear and love. - should we be more eco-friendly to the world because we’re scared of all dying, or because we genuinely care about the sake of the planet? who decides what perspective we have? Who is responsible for how someone feels? If I tell you information and you get scared is that my fault or you fault?

Yeah that makes sense. So if there is proof for it then does it make it fear based? If I found on Leo’s laptop he had a secret plan to kill everyone at a workshop and I told everyone- does that make me a fear based conspiracy theorist? Am I projecting fear? Should I be dismissed? What if took a picture of the plan and said “here look”, but no one looked at it and then just said I’m tryna scare people because my psychology is fucked up and I just can’t accept responsibility for my life? Then what? Would I just be being a silly deluded person?

In one video Leo said that someone had been treated with 5-meo dmt after being a heroin addict for like 20 years, was just trying to find the article or source, does anyone know it?

https://www.spiritmolecule.com/psychedelics/new-species-of-psychedelic-lichen-contains-tryptamine-and-psilocybin Just thought I’d share this, there’s a type of fungi that has psilocybin and 5-meo DMT in it, as well as other things. One of a kind.

@Leo Gura in relation to your experiences, what do you feel like is the highest level of consciousness a human is able to sustain in the whole of possibility? Obviously it’s difficult to quantify - but maybe how would their personal experience be?

What was the dose range? Where did you start and where did you finish?

Who do people think has developed the most spiritually and by what criteria? Not asking whether you think it’s important or not or whatever other irrelevant stuff people like to say when asking a question. It’s just an open question, I’m curious at what people think and why they think it.

Does it synergies well with mushrooms? Has anyone tried?