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Three examples of basic logic: ### 1. **Everyday Decision-Making:** - **Situation:** Deciding whether to take an umbrella when leaving the house. - **Logic in Action:** If the sky is cloudy and the weather forecast says there’s a 90% chance of rain, it’s logical to take the umbrella to avoid getting wet. - **Why It Matters:** Logic helps us make practical, efficient choices by weighing evidence and predicting outcomes. ### 2. **Moral Reasoning:** - **Situation:** Deciding whether to tell the truth even if it might hurt someone’s feelings. - **Logic in Action:** Honesty builds trust and respect, even if it’s uncomfortable in the moment. Lying might avoid short-term pain but can harm relationships in the long run. - **Why It Matters:** Logic guides ethical decisions by evaluating consequences and aligning actions with principles like integrity and fairness. ### 3. **Scientific Discovery:** - **Situation:** A scientist testing whether a new medicine works. - **Logic in Action:** If the medicine consistently improves patients’ health in controlled experiments and no other factors explain the results, it’s logical to conclude the medicine is effective. - **Why It Matters:** Logic is the backbone of science, helping us uncover truths about the world by systematically testing ideas and drawing reliable conclusions. In each case, logic is a tool for clarity, whether in practical choices, ethical dilemmas, or uncovering truths about the universe. It’s about connecting the dots to make sense of the world. Three examples of the limitations of logic: ### 1. **Emotional and Human Complexity:** - **Situation:** Deciding whether to end a troubled relationship. - **Limitation of Logic:** While logic might suggest ending the relationship if it’s causing more harm than good, emotions like love, attachment, and hope complicate the decision. Logic can’t fully account for the depth of human feelings or the nuances of personal history. - **Why It Matters:** Logic struggles to navigate situations where emotions, intuition, and subjective experiences play a central role. ### 2. **Paradoxes and Unresolvable Problems:** - **Situation:** The "liar paradox" (e.g., "This statement is false"). - **Limitation of Logic:** If the statement is true, then it must be false, and if it’s false, then it must be true. Logic can’t resolve this contradiction because it creates an infinite loop. - **Why It Matters:** Some problems are inherently unsolvable within logical systems, revealing the boundaries of reason. ### 3. **Mysteries of Existence:** - **Situation:** Questions like "What is the meaning of life?" or "Why does the universe exist?" - **Limitation of Logic:** These questions go beyond what logic can address because they involve concepts that are abstract, infinite, or beyond human comprehension. Logic relies on evidence and reasoning, but these questions often lack definitive answers or frameworks to analyze. - **Why It Matters:** Logic is limited when grappling with existential or metaphysical questions that transcend empirical observation and rational thought. In each case, logic hits a wall—whether it’s the messiness of human emotions, unsolvable paradoxes, or the profound mysteries of existence. These limitations remind us that while logic is a powerful tool, it’s not always sufficient to fully understand or navigate the complexities of life. Other available avenues and methodologies available in the pursuit of finding answers when logic fails: When logic falls short in answering profound or complex questions, other methods and approaches can be employed to explore and seek understanding. These methods often complement logic by tapping into different ways of knowing and experiencing the world. Here are three key alternatives: --- ### 1. **Intuition and Inner Wisdom:** - **What It Is:** Intuition is a deep, often subconscious sense of knowing that doesn’t rely on step-by-step reasoning. It’s like a "gut feeling" or an inner compass. - **How It Helps:** For questions like "What should I do with my life?" or "What is my purpose?", intuition can guide decisions based on personal values, desires, and a sense of alignment with one’s deeper self. - **Example:** An artist might feel drawn to create a certain piece of work without being able to logically explain why—it just feels "right." - **Why It Works:** Intuition taps into accumulated experiences, emotions, and subconscious insights that logic can’t always access. --- ### 2. **Experience and Embodied Knowledge:** - **What It Is:** Learning through direct experience, practice, and immersion in life rather than abstract reasoning. - **How It Helps:** For questions like "What is love?" or "How do I find happiness?", logic can only go so far. True understanding often comes from living through experiences, feeling emotions, and reflecting on them. - **Example:** You can’t fully understand what it means to be a parent by reading about it—you have to live it. - **Why It Works:** Experience provides a visceral, firsthand understanding that logic alone cannot replicate. --- ### 3. **Mystical or Spiritual Insight:** - **What It Is:** A transcendent way of knowing that often arises from meditation, prayer, contemplation, or moments of profound connection with something greater than oneself. - **How It Helps:** For questions like "What is the nature of reality?" or "Is there a higher purpose?", spiritual practices can offer insights that logic cannot. These insights often come as moments of clarity, awe, or unity with the universe. - **Example:** A mystic might experience a sense of oneness with all things during deep meditation, providing an answer to existential questions that logic cannot fully articulate. - **Why It Works:** Spiritual insight bypasses the limitations of the rational mind, offering a direct, experiential connection to deeper truths. --- ### Bonus: **Art, Creativity, and Symbolism:** - **What It Is:** Using creative expression—like art, music, poetry, or storytelling—to explore and communicate truths that logic cannot fully capture. - **How It Helps:** For questions like "What does it mean to be human?" or "How do I process grief?", art can convey emotions, paradoxes, and complexities that logic struggles to articulate. - **Example:** A poem about loss might capture the depth of sorrow in a way that a logical analysis never could. - **Why It Works:** Creativity taps into the symbolic, emotional, and imaginative dimensions of human experience. --- ### Final Thought: When logic isn’t enough, these alternative methods—intuition, experience, spiritual insight, and creativity—offer pathways to understanding that are equally valid and often more holistic. They remind us that not all truths can be reasoned; some must be felt, lived, or glimpsed through moments of transcendence. Together, these approaches provide a richer, more complete way of engaging with life’s deepest questions.

Sorry yes. Upon further reflection I recognize that I think im possibly projecting and talking about the self deception in myself

@Leo Gura please do not let the unfortunate ... change how you post. I personally think you need to be harder on this kind of devilry. I mean it's literally devilry. What you achieve by being appropriately hard on delusional people (who simply refuse to investigate or admit their own self-deception) is likely to be greater than that of a style that entertains bs. Its your empathic ability to sternly reject devilry that is a signature on the class of your teachings. It's what will attract those of us who choose to stand against self deception most vehemently.

I think intuition is a big key in identifying who to listen to. You will get a general feeling about it but then how do you know whether to listen to that feeling lol. Theres no way of getting around the fact that there is no ground to stand on that assures you finding the correct people to listen to. But some general principles of people that are good signs are that they are; - dynamic and flexible psychologically (and physically) as well as verbally articulate. - loving (doesn't necessarily mean gentle) - accurate with small things - specific, analytical, investigative, explorative. - humble (self sacrificing for the benefit of others). - generally advanced and insightful. - powerful, hitting critical areas of utmost pertinence to the matter at hand. - innovate, inventive, creative. - intelligent (highly informed) - spiritual. - reasonable, logical and also transcendental of reason and logic. Ideally you want someone who hits multiple of these different characteristics. Bonus insight: Just because someone is truthful, doesn't mean they are correct.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZD78vbWHAaise_E0453fMyhxuGSnM8UuRNwW5Fdp6cs/edit?usp=drivesdk Clever AI prompts. Prompts programming the AI to answer questions in an advanced fashion from multiple perspectives.

My Buddhist priest is a pretty articulated thinker. Those Buddhists have major insight sometimes in the form of little fluffy allegories, chitta celsang geatso

Leo's special operations gang

Good job! You guys do good work!!

Sounds like he has the theory down...I wonder if he would be included in the category Leo mentioned when he said about reaching experiences that made it apparent to him that the levels of consciousness he had gained access to were just undeniably superior to that of the teachers that he had as a seeker..

Pretty reductionistic

I would have liked to have Jesus an arm wrestle

I beat deepseek.

I wonder if Jesus ever masturbated. Probably

Take it All with a massive pinch of salt but there is some cool stuff there. It's for sure inspired to a degree...I mean it's just a poor attempt compared to Leo's gangster approach. Leo is more accurate than jesus Some decent Christian teachers that lean towards mysticism are Andrew wommack, mark Driscoll and John MacArthur. But there very limited and restrictive.

If your going down that direction adopt a minimalist approach, and be aware that the truth it illuminates is extremely disjointed and unnecessarily convoluted. But I would say there is for little egos like us. We sometimes like a "jesus" tit to suckle on for comfort. Nothing wrong with that, it's very comforting. I use words like lord when I talk to "him"

I would love those, @ActualizedJohn if you find any plz lemme know. (I think we need to prod Leo for more information cuz he made mention of going to "balls to the wall enlightenment retreats" so those kinds of group communities/areas do exist

Ah, so I am the one who is inaccurate

Gods my bitch

Leo is easy to understand. I sense the source of your confusion (or anybody's confusion experiencing this) could be as a result of an overly ideological style of learning. The appropriate way to learn from anybody is to break down every single thing they say and rebuild it as your own, testing everything against reality in case the person you got it from is inaccurate in any respect. Of course you then need to be mindful that you might be the person who is inaccurate too.

God told me i have no clue how high level of degree of orchestration is going on here.

Chess is extremely good for developing higher consciousness problem solving skills. @Leo Gura I seen that you play! Would you actually play some of us sometime?

Holy fuck, this is deceptively cringe *shivers*

Same

I was here before time