Jack River

No more desire “me” causing confusion or conflict or fear or psychological time.

Freedom means there is total energy without conflict or “me”. Then a skill can be cultivated if we wan to do that. Thinking is also free. As in not corrupt by “me”. I’m just saying development psychologically/emotionally is seen as contradiction. No more psychological growth limiting living

@SoonHei If you are free you will get it. Only people who are not free want to get involved in development. After freedom we can develop what ever skill we want to. When we are not free fear gets in the way of everyday activity. So freedom means we see through the jive of psychological progression.

People jump into self inquiry without understanding what is used to self inquire which is thought. If I don’t understand my own limit in inquiring the inquiry becomes corrupt. This messed me up and became a big waste of them for me dudes. Like an 8year waste

Understanding habits/pleasure. No habits are wise?

Learn and understand fear dudes

The opposite of attachment is still attachment. What your thinking of doesn't have an opposite. Crazy man. I just noticed this on the water today.

freedom is the ultimate

You can tell when people are not free. What they say, how they act, what they advocate, play authority games

Fosho..Spiral development or psychological growth keeps the fear alive. It’s alwys moving away from what is and that means problems. It’s fine to take care of yourself and others if you want to. But growth as in psychologically=fear. If somebody wants to perfect a craft it’s all good and they will not be limited by fear. But they don’t psychologically depend on it, that means fear motivates.

Samadhi a goal? We been juked dudes

Psychological growth lol

Fear is B

Thats why it helps to not learn about what other people say about the unknowable. It becomes a sneaky assumption. Assumption that thinks it is not an assumption. An assumption that thinks it is not invented by thought. Fear will do this. Fear looks for answers and distorts its own thinking.

@LiakosNThought is knowing. As in of the past or old.

What can be known. ?. Going beyond that cannot be explained.

I got ya dude. Since you are asking this question I would say mind it that of thought. That can be known. But unknown will remain jnknown. Beyond thought or knowing isn’t knowing. Just saw this recently.

I feel ya. We have to be careful dude. Because any knowledge we pick up through thought is always going to be confined to thought. So if we hear from someone that mind is beyond thought and we believe it, that is still a belief or the invention of thought. I know what you mean. I use to be confused about that. If you understand mind solo, or on your own, it is clear.

If you are confused about this then asking others will only make it more confusing. You are then looking to thought to find the answer to what may be way beyond thought. We can talk with each other about things, but the rest is up to you dude. Beyond things is all on you brah.

Depending on an experience to end habits. I remember that

Getting caught in Pleasure means there is no logic. People get Pleasure out of psychedelic use to. The object is different, but pleasure is pleasure. He might want to learn about pleasure, fear, “the me”.That really frees the mind.

It’s wise not to force psychedelics on people. It creates an assumption that it will lead them to truth or enlightenment as if it were something that could be cultured. I’m glad I’m not caught in that loop anymore.

Oh crap, the psychedelic gang out for blood dudes. Attacking the way one plans to ‘gain’ freedom is attacking them themselves.

@Barry J Little self’s always want to call out those who are unoriginal. Maybe to point out how original there little self is. It’s typical dude. The self likes to do this to feel better, supperior, above those who supposedly aren’t original. It’s surelry just comparing with others to validate there own image about themselves. But it’s all good brah. It’s true that a few on the forum think they “know” others, truth, enlightenment, and they love to tell others they don’t, or they love to show other unoriginals the truth, like they hold it in there pockets Fosho..Self looking to thought to stop resisting.

We don’t “know” anybody, we don’t know if they are psychologically free, “enlightened” or what ever dudes. Anybody that says they “know” what truth or enlightenment is funny. Especially if they don’t understand how they themselves work... I just realized this little game. You know the games “I am enlightened, I know what enlightenment is”, lol. They don’t get it. Role playing is very popular and always has been. Isn’t is something else dudes