Jack River

@SoonHei all this is answered when time comes to a stop dude. Nobody can help you.

I wouldn’t actually call it realization. But a holistic seeing. The seeing without concept in the psychological department seems to become more and more default. As in the majority of the time there is an actual seeing withot concept. And the function of thought comes in when needed to do somthing.

Cool thing is we feel that there is division between truth and reality from the standpoint of reality. But actually reality is a function of truth. Pretty cool ?

This seeing, which is truth dissolving falsity/distortion/conceptual screen isn’t the result of practice, exercise, development, ambition/desire. All that is what drives this thought/conceptualizing/distortion. This is psychological time which is fear/desire/“me”. When time as BECOMING stops then you will see that you didn’t DO anything to SEE. Time cannot undo itself dudes. And anything to do with practice, excercise, development ambition/desire is time based. Pretty gnarly when this was seen. It was insight/truth that saw this all in one instance. Not a gradual cultivated realization. That’s why it’s such a mind bender dudes

As long as you need to be guided you will feel lost. Watch the fear/time. Instead of spending time on here asking see if you can see all the disguised fear in your day to day. You will see that fear and thought are one. Start there dude. Nothing else will work man. Freedom from needing answers brah. Stay with “the problem”. Observe!! ?

We get what we want dudes. You aim for a “thing” like enlightenment that’s what you get, a thing, that thing becomes a reality. Reality is distortion. Be aimless my dudes

Chasing something is projecting something fixed. Freedom without reaction or reflection is not fixed. Becoming something means a mind that is occupied. An occupied mind moves in time. Time is bound by distortion dudes. Distortion needs things to end things. An illusion thinks illusion will end illusion.

The problem is we see thought/distortion as actual being WHAT IS. So we are always seeing with a division/false view. Try watching fear all day. Do you notice with every thought is also fear? Try this man. It’s crazy what you find. Then you will see that seeing with the concept is directly involved in that. It’s gnarly dude.

All of the above is the “me”. Seeing is when the division ends. Seeing is whole. Not divided. So the “me”/psychological becoming/though/conceptualization/desire/ fear is really all one movement of “me”. That me never sees the whole/the actual/with true eyes. There is no point. Concepts serve to bring to attention the falsity/distortion. We can communicate this to each other then an awareness can be put onto that falsity/distortion. I get what you mean man. I was just at that point two months ago. Silence reveals all of this. And silence comes with understanding fear/psychological time in our daily living. This understanding is not conceptual. It is truth seeing totally the falsity and distortion of thought. Truth stands under reality/thought. Truth is aware of distortion. Any way this won’t help you as much as you understanding fear/time will. People think understanding distortion/thought is conceptualization. It is not. It is seeing the falsity in it.

We cannot from the place of thought/reality do anything about “actuality or truth”. But we can learn and become aware of the distortions of reality. We can’t come to truth from thought, as in exercises or practices as that is a doing and only fuels that same process....but the quality of truth can observe distortion/reality. That is truth being aware of distortion. Conceptualization is simply a function of the whole or truth dudes. Stillness is the ground and movement is the function. Chill my dudes, there is no division between truth, actuality, and thought/conceptualization. Only from the place of division there seems to be. It’s really all one as a whole. When the reaction and reflection falls away this is so. Then actuality is. It’s Pretty groovy dudes. Movement/time arises out of stillness...this song just came on as I write this Dope?

@B_Naz no one will get this across to you my dude. If you watch fear/psychological time in your day to day all that will resolve on its own. Then you will come to that seeing/actuality/truth as the result of dissolving distortion...stay with the fear and psychological time. Understand and bring awareness to the distortions. Then your on to emptiness. Emptiness means not occupied. Then that non occupied mind can see what is without distortion. Anyway stay with fear/time. Excercise will not bring about deep silence. Silence is the result of a psychological time stoppage.

@B_Naz if we want to see without the concept fear as in psychological time needs to come to a stop. People don’t understand that thinking/conceptualizing and fear/psychological becoming go together. Then we can use conceptual thinking like it’s a tool. But when we don’t need the tool seeing is not through the concept. Seeing is then unfiltered. To see outward without the concept and inward.

@calibrate best wishes man?

Your own thought ? Devine inspiration? Common dude. All psychological movement of a “me” clinging to “creative desire” lol all of thought/fragmentation. You can believe what ever you want dude. Have fun.

where do you think that conscience and deep sense of dispair comes from? Do you see that all that is involved in the field of thought?

@calibrate that’s right dude. Anything of thought only enslaves. That’s the point. Why do you look to thought to solve the same problem that thought invented?

All paths are the product of the veil. Step out of the stream of thought brah. When you see how paths lead you in a circle then maybe you will step out of that pattern all together. There is no path. “The Path” and “the you” are both the product of time my groovy friend. Freedom first brah.

This conformity to thought is what enslaves humans. Stop contributing to the stream of fear/violence my dude start learning about self/thought instead of being influenced by it. live in the now

Truth isn’t a choice brah. Truth doesn’t belong to a self. You do no reviece truth, especially through knowledge/thought. How convenient all this is classics conditioning. All caused by the falsity that there is a duality between the experiencer and the experience. Psychological time brah.

The veil is that “lord”. All of what you are regurgitating is the veil. The self “you”, which is part of the veil, are both of knowledge/thought. Self/thought created this lord/savior. Clinging to knowledge as in the Bible or “word of god” is fear resisting itself. The self clings to its knowledge to strengthen itself. That is what thought does. Identifies with its own content. Thought is built on this self feeding pattern. Identification means resistance to change, and self/thought is built on the process of identification. You can quote bible versus all you want brah. It just shows how thought imitates and conforms to self soothe “the me”. My dad tried playing this game with himself and his family. It didn’t stick. It’s all the product of thought my dude. A true holy dude doesn’t believe, isn’t burdened by hope, and doesn’t conform to any spiritual authority.

Those dudes who cling to there sacred knowledge are really clinging to themselves. Belief in there own particular knowledge strengthens the illusion of “me”. Time to embrace the change and stop living in the past dudes.

belief=fear hope=fear confoming to knowledge of the Bible is the self clinging to thought. This is a movement of fear. Belief and truth never go together. Knowledge and truth never go together. The Bible was an invention of thought and fear. The “me” who wants to Psychologically become. Truth is timeless dudes.

Not wanting to be enlightened is the first step to freedom. The Motive to become is all of self. All doings prevent freedom. And a method like do nothing is included dudes.

@B_Naz a thread on what is a doing would be pretty good to open.

The self is the same for all humans. Doings are psychological Movement. Desire, motive, effort, and such. Any direction of thought psychologically is a doing.