Jack River

@FredFred give me a explanation of how mindfulness meditation works and I’ll tell you if it’s concentration based or attention/awareness based. The definition that caught your interest I mean.

awareness is difficult because self/thought is limited to motive. Any kind of motive or intent kills the freedom of awareness dude. That's why is needed to understand fear/desire/psychological time.

When i direct energy in a certain direction that is the limited energy of desire/thought which=concentration. That leads to an experience because the experiencer is being activated with its motive and content. Awareness doesn't move in a certain direction. Has no motive, and doesn't act by the influence of thought. Awareness doesn't choose dude.

My good dude @Faceless wrote on this in his no way as way thread. Headllessness=nothingness. Here is part of what he wrote that talks about it.. Faceless said With this total passive awareness there is no movement of registration, which then allows for an absence of recollection, in which there is no content to project itself as a veil over the next moment of now. With this comes a suspension of identification, as in No ”i”, time. Absolutely no static content of the self and it’s accumulation, being imprinted and carried over onto each dynamic now. With this passive awareness empty of (volition-desire), is an immeasurable beauty and mysteriousness that cannot ever fully expresses in words,(measure). There is an obviousness to this indeed. In order to see WHAT IS, “the i” with all its accumulation, being limited and narrow must end.

@SoonHei i live very simply dude. Every day is appreciated.

@Consilience thank you dude. That question is common but worth asking fosho.

If we started understanding thought this would all be so obvious. But we avoid understanding because we are reward bound. We have to stay with what is to understand it. And not escape before understanding. That’s what Desire does. Desire = fear

Every movement/direction thought takes to solve its own problem feeds itself. An insight into that whole movement is intelligence that simply doesn’t touch it any longer. So we are really stepping out of the patterns of thought/time totally. We waste our life moving in the pattern of time. We either stop that or we keep at it. I’m glad that is not a pattern I live in anymore dude.

When desire/will/time stops feeding itself then we can explore without the burden of the bias that reward and punishment as a motive brings about. Desire always searches for an explanation. Desire can never act and end “things” of the mind. Desire projects the image and pursues the image. The image and desire both the same movement of thought. When we see it it’s an instant ending of that pattern of thought or psychological time. Pretty gnarly.

Only thought/self pursues the goal of “enlightenment” dude. Where there is desire that present moment experience is really the result of memory/past.

I feel ya there dude. An unoccupied/empty mind doesn’t identify with “things”. Nothingness is not fixed. Because it is not fixed there is constant renual. Continual newness dude? Not influenced by the “things” of time.

It’s not understood that psychological time=psychological enslavement. If that was commonly accepted/seen as a fact then we would from a young age be educated about it. Then maybe there would be some enormous change in consciousness. Imagine not even having to go through this dissolving of conditioning in the first place. Start form the beginning living a life free do psychological time.

Do we see? Let’s break the pattern of time brahs. Let’s not establish and make fixed a limitation on consciousness just because we don’t like to end habits/patterns of thought. What we do and don’t do today makes for different a tomorrow. If the pattern stays the same today tomorrow will be that same pattern.

That law is governed by reality/thought. Truth has nothing to do with that. Logic doesn’t lead to this insight. SEEING the limitation of logic reveals this. Reality/thought projects “things” which are fixed. We invent the image and we pursue that image. Think of it as self worship brah. Is it necessary? Or can we see the falsity of it from the beginning? Do we see that being motivated by reward and punishment limits SEEING itself. It’s silly to say effort is necessary. Effort is the fact already. Effort is the ego/time. Why not bring this to awareness right off the bat. If effort continues there is limited energy to really explore without the bais of self distorting. Why Not just say from the beginning there is no “thing” as in ways/means to end the falsity of moving within the field of psychological time. Do you realize consciousness has been playing this game with itself for thousands of years? And we are still the same. Psychologically haven’t changed. It’s assumed that striving/longing, or battling for freedom will lead to freedom. But moving within the pattern of fear never will end that pattern. It will just continue on and on. Why not just understand the limitations of the mechanism we use to get somewhere? As in the limit of psychological becoming. If we can discuss without resistance how that movement of becoming is the barrier to freedom well then that would be pretty awesome now right. Why say it is necessary to apply effort when we do anyway. Why not ask, is effort necessary? Why not ask can time/psychological becoming end without trying to use time as the means. This is the kind of jump consciousness needs to take to really clean up itself. Instead of how can I psychologically evolve, progress, grow, can we see that psychological evolution fuels the illusion of time? Can that psychological movement end? That’s where it’s at my dudes.

??fosho ?

The real gnarly thing about the ending of psychological time is you are always changing from moment to moment. So you can never say you are enlightened or you know truth. Because truth is not fixed. This is why people who say they are enlightened have missed the point. Because to say that is in direct contradiction to the winds of change dudes. To live as truth means and the embracing of constant change. Only when we are still clinging to the old do we say we are enlightened or we know what enlightenment is, or we know what truth is. That would mean all that is contained within an experience. But it is not. It’s totally groovy man. Again all of this came in a flash of insight. Instantly life changing.

I saw what was avoided and why there was suffering. It wasn’t something given to me. It was simply seen that pursing a reward and resisting punishment limits the energy needed to observe without limitation. The insight isn’t the result of thought. Not the product of memory/knowledge. In other words it’s not conforming to words of someone else. Be amazed when psychological time stops influencing action what happens.

Yours is awsome too. you look very down to earth and kind. My kind of dudet The Nonconflicting way is totally excellent. That is exactly what the self hates. When it is not able to feed itself. I’m with you?.

@Charlotte ?

No you see the danger in it and that is it. If you continue to move in time you haven’t SEEN yet. It’s all a field that is observed within that effortless/unoccupied awareness. You don’t any longer see the field as the whole, but it is seen as a function of the whole. The field of reality=effort/motive/desire/choice/ego/thought. All of that is the field which we don’t see any longer as all important. We see that is only a part function of the whole or what is

We will then see every action we take within the effort pattern leads to more conflict/suffering. The insight that sees the totlalty of effort/thought/self will come in a instant flash. Example do you understand what I mean when I say time=desire, motive, effort, practices, routines, systems? Everything in the conditioned consciousness=time. When you see the truth of this actually there is instant ending to that pattern.

I would think of it like this dude....not trying to get somewhere or something like “enlightenment”. Instead of trying to work within the pattern of effort/thought we can understand why we move within this pattern and understanding the limits of that pattern of psychological movement. Before deciding to use effort why not investigate the nature of effort and its limitations. Namean? Stay with the problem. Stay with what is. Then we are able to learn about what is. But if we instantly move away from what is which is ‘effort movement’ or psychological time we never are able to observe and learn from the problem/falsity. You get me my dude?

And this understanding is not conceptual, it is of intelligence. Holistic seeing.

I was addicted to weed and painkillers. For me in grasping the falsity of effort/psychological time all that addiction/pleasure seeking ended. We owe it to people to have this kind of info available. There is someone very special that took the time to share this with me. If they wouldn’t have I would still be in that game of conflict and be slowly destroying myself. Which means I was holding back consciousness as a whole too. All this psychological becoming just keeps all the conflict/suffering alive.

Your experience is basically my experience. Experience is basically the same for within consciousness. Truth has the ability to point to falsity. To bring to the surface the truth in the false. It’s an insight that is holistic. It is not the result of thought conceptualizing. The essence is born of nothingness/The unoccupied mind.