Jack River

To tell people right from the getgo...Nobody can help you. Then maybe you can go into why you say that.

It’s all good man. When we have these discussions we should be attentive to our own bias/defences. If you really care about conciousness as a whole it is important to share the nature of what causes psychological disorder...you agree? To promote self understanding right? That’s what you want to share?

All we can do is end that pattern in ourselves and not project that onto others. But to say I accept all that because it is inevitable...I won’t do that anymore. Since freedom say in i now feel obligated to not work in that pattern. With freedom we see the how important it is in consciousness. I feel totally responsible for consciousness..I am it.

The ground of being is actual living. ?

It’s actually the most practical thing to do.

By us doing this we then communicate it to others. Then it becomes more common as somthing important for conciousness to value.

If we all understand ourselves that is expressed in society. But it is not communicated that that is necessary. That goes against the hierarchical structure of society. So kids don’t get the value of that communicated to them. Society doesn’t want people who can do this. It’s built on authority. We are breed to depend.

Fosho. I’m just saying it should be number one thing to be communicated..and it is not.

I’m not saying we should not have psychologist or therapist...But we should be looking at prevention. As in being able to live without conflict. And without need to depend on a psychological authority. Hownto live psychologically should be the first thing we understand. It’s the most important. All other learning cones second.

I’m not saying don’t have psychologist. But we should be looking at prevention. As in being able to live without conflict.

I’m saying now we should start with the young right out of the gate. We need to make a dramatic change today to make a different tomorrow and healthy tomorrow. That of Time, is the reason for psychological disorder dude. Thought looks to all of the above to solve its problems. That’s why I’m saying staring young is a good idea. The truth is we don’t need any “thing” to see through the illusion of ego. It there is no education of this as it is the most important type of education. And we don’t get that.

We have the intellect to solve all economic issues. We are held back by psychological issues. The need for power, respect, seeking pleasure as in greed and such keeps society the way it is now.

That’s what it’s all about. The sooner conciousness stops depending on thought (knowledge) as in psychology concepts to relive its own psychological problems the sooner we are free of psychological authority/dependence that fuel all that.

@SgtPepper do you think understanding the self/thought in education would be a good idea? Like as a youngster.

Only looking to what thought has invented to solve psychological problems is the very movement of psychological time that creates those problems. If that was commonly understood there would be no need for psychologist. We would see that freedom isn’t time dependent. It is not the result of knowledge/advising/therapy. But yeah I see what you mean. If a psychologist or psychotherapist could some how bring it to the awareness of conciousness that would be nice.

@Charlotte you seem to be doing hella good. Meditation is life. Should be involved in all activity of life. Awareness doesn’t choose right. So in that sense everything is meditation. Keep it real @Charlotte?

Awsome man. Good mix.

Lol nice. I’m just saying we don’t look to the dream to gain or attain psychological security. We have to play..but we don’t have to play to feel psychologically secure. Thanks for response dude?

Me either. The essence of liberated action is freedom from dependence on thought to solve psychological problems. Freedom doesn’t depend on “things” of thought.

Dude...then they were not free. That’s just pure silliness right there. If you are psychologically free which is liberation you don’t depend of others. And procrastination is due to thought putting things off. That is a reaction too. A resistance to act.

Fosho man. The reason we have psychologist is because we look to thought or knowledge to solve psychological problems. But that is why we have psychological problems. That’s awsome that you did that in Peru.. I would have tried to stay.

Fosho man. That’s how surfing was for me. At that moment I would be pretty quiet. But it wa always short lived. Now silence is constant with occasional thought movement to do certain things. What kind of lifting you do man?

That is control. All of that is born of resistance. Only thought chooses, seeks security. It’s way more subtle than that dude. That’s why instead of playing that game we can explore how motive/desire/fear/choice/resistance/identification/attachment is all one. And that is psychological time/becoming. Action born to the illusion that self is different from all of that. To understand somthing truly we cannot have a set and fixed desired outcome. That is an example of thoughts bias clinging to itself. The self is all of the above.

That’s why it’s good to into the nature of thinking dude. Why we want to be enlightened..why we seek psychologically..why “we” escape fear.. go into how the me who progresses=fear resisting itself. And so on. Understanding that saying with the problem we learn about it, instead of always escaping the problem.

Who practices? Who progresses? Who has a motive? Who wants to become “enlightened”? Who want to change the state of thinking to no-thinking. You see this is thoughts pattern. I am trapped in thought but I escape to the idea of non-thought, which fuels thought anyway. What a excellent game played heh?