Jack River

As in choiceless or non-action. An action arising out of order. That order is not influenced by thought or the reactionary responses triggered by psychological activation. It’s pretty groovy. There isn’t any deciding. Which is totally a falling out of the usual pattern of conditioned mind. order/goodness/simplicity

Yeah can’t connect deeply when mind is in charge and projecting its images onto each other.

I liked you post? I think I wrote about this in a different thread. From what I got from your thread was how the self, which is experience, clings to itself. To psychologically cling to thought. This is what I wrote in another thread today about how we cling too and project experience psychologically. It goes a lot deeper than experiences. From what I see “enlightened action” doesn’t project experience. Thoughts tendency or pattern is to be fixed by nature. This really is a stoppage of experience projection. We like to resist change so we project images that are fixed in nature. Truth or enlightened action doesn’t resist change. So it is always changing. Thought doesn’t like that. Thought projects experience because it is familiar. It’s totally gnarly dudes. For me starting with fear/psychological time really opened the door to the stoppage of this fixed projection. That’s why you don’t ever become enlightened. Only something fixed has been or will be but is limited to its own fixed content. Truth isn’t fixed, it is living and always changing. Nothingness doesn’t project “things” on top of WHAT IS. This truth has really unraveled itself over the last month. Its closer to non-being dudes. Were you pointing to the ending of psychological thought/experience/self?

That’s why you don’t ever become enlightened. Only somthing fixed has been or will be but is limited to its own fixed content. Truth isn’t fixed, it is living and always changing. Nothingness doesn’t project “things” on top of WHAT IS. This truth has really unraveled itself over the last month. Its closer to non-being dudes.

It goes a lot deeper than experiences. From what I see “enlightened action” doesn’t project experience. Thoughts tendency or pattern is to be fixed by nature. This really is a stoppage of experience projection. We like to resist change so we project images that are fixed in nature. Truth or enlightened action doesn’t resist change. So it is always changing. Thought doesn’t like that. Thought projects experience because it is familiar. It’s totlay gnarly dudes. For me starting with fear/psychological time really opened the door to the stoppage of this fixed projection.

? nice dude

Groovy? . For me intuition or insight sets in when I am silent. I too am new to this. Just about a month now. The more silent the mind the more clearer the insight seems. I do not explore this insight but it comes in a flash when I am not in psychological pursuit. Or not reacting to the field of thought.

Yep. To many variables for thought to consider. That’s why it’s good to be as rational as we can be. That’s why understanding that limit makes thought more coherent. Fosho man. I’m with you. ?

Yep. I’m digging what your laying down dude

To me insight of truth/intelligence sees holistically the whole field of reality/thought. Which means a comprehensive understanding of all its limits. That thebsame for your intuition?

I think we point to truth/intelligence the same way. Only you use intuition and I use insight or holistic perception. Yeah I think I understand what you are saying man.

I feel ya. I figured we were on the same page. Just wasnt sure about the term post rational. Thanks for responses dude?

So Rational thinking is truth/intelligence seeing the limitation of thought. Truth makes thought run straight.

No, what makes rationality irrational?

Fosho..but way makes them irrational?

@cetus56 really gets into the limits of rationality too. Or what makes rational thought irrational.

Yep. It’s great stuff.

I just started watching bohm. He’s the the man?

What makes “rationality” irrational?

Even the real can be false. There is no actual division between the real and truth. The real is a function or a manifestation of truth.

Healthy consciousness means that psychological time doesn’t influence that actions we take. This would mean care is taken with every action because truth understands that everything is mutually dependent. Fosho @moon777light?

Do we want to raise consciousness?, or do we want to end consciousness as we know it?

No. When freedom becomes actual you feel much more responsible to communicate it. I didn’t expect that at all. Lol I am responsible for consciousness.

I feel ya dude. But ego is responsible for how society is now. Ego=society. Our inside state is projected out. Really society is an abstraction. We are both. Society is me/you. And a lot of politics and stuff is my knowledge vs your knowledge and all that. That is identifying with our own experiences. And then we cling to that experience of knowledge to solve a certain problem. But we fight about who solution is better because we sometimes seek psychological security in being right and avoiding being wrong. This means no relationship and we cannot work together. If we could just understand problems without fighting about what solution is better we would end the conflict of opposition of opinions. You see what I mean dude. If we can not cling to or own personal psychological bias we will be able to solve political, economic, and what ever other problems much better. But the fact is this...I am the society.

If you go into the nature of ego/thought you see that all egos are the same. When we talk about ego, we don’t talk about yours or mine, but ego. Opinions will be what we should do about ego. But talking about what happens in the phenomena of ego/thought needs no opinion. Do you see what I mean? There will only be opinions when we are looking to solve a problem according to our own accumulated knowledge...But the kind of communication I am taking about is not that. It is only bringing to attention the fact of what happens in ego/thought. Do you see the difference?