Jack River

self loves to identify with the things of thought. Imitation is its thing. This is also escaping what is/fear. Food for self.

It can also be said that ego feeds off thinking any experience will end itself. All actions taken as fear looking for a way out feed the ego. No ego dies from an experience. Experience fuels ego and ego influences experience. Insight into all this starves the ego of all action that sustains its own life. This totally brought about an ending of conditioned action. Actually very crazy how we feed the beast thinking otherwise. The nature of the beast is that beast feeds itself to starve itself.

Thought also imitates itself as being “direct experience” too. This is tricky. To be able to identify this can be difficult.

Getting to a place of no thought means thought is not exceeding its own limits. Insight puts order in the whole field of thought, which means thought isn’t limited to its own capacity.

all this confusion, suffering, conflict, isn’t somthing that happens to ”you”... “You”, the confusion, suffering, conflict, fear, are the doing itself. It's all one process. It’s sustained by your action to find somthing other than what is. Truth cannot be pursued. Pursuing in this case is still fear in action. That prevents truth itself. When we understand the intellect and what fuels it holistically it totally comes to an end. This understanding is not limited to the intellect either. Truth itself SEES and that seeing is complete action.

It goes both ways though. self can easily feed itself by taking that psychedelic. This is also fear in action. Fear and Truth do not go together. Some may even see not consuming something that your body rejects as infinite intelligence taking action as to protect the organism. Just a thought though dude

Fear/self clings to thought and it is inherent in the nature of thought that self clings to itself which is its content. As long as fear keeps resisting what is, itself, identification with thought will remain to escape that fear. self always looks for security. Truth can not come from this conditioned action. So yes everything about self/thought denies truth. It’s implicit in its very nature dudes.

The insight itself is complete action that puts an ending to that conditioned compulsion/habit.

The constant striving for inner growth means no relationship. Conflict kills the possibility of relationship.

I feel ya dude. I just meant conclusions sometimes are made by emotional reactions. It’s not that nothing matters or does matter, but it doesn’t matter either way. Lol It is what it is dudes. Staying with what is. Intelligence doesn’t move in that pattern of psychological dependence. Freedom is action that doesn’t conclude in regards to selfs reactions.

A song that reminds me of selfs impluse to conform to its own mechanism of thought. How thought feeds off its own illusion control, and yet resists control, yet remains control. Most excellent song?

The nothing really matters part still seems like a reaction though. Could be a conclusion based on reaction.

Yeah. I thought the same. I couldn’t listen To it andn't left the volume down. I’m not a Lincoln Park dude. But the words seems like classic psychological becoming. Looking for security in authority. Fosho dude. Also all part of the machine.

It can be said as being healthy as a seeker to question all things of thought/reality. Seems troll like, but it’s not, I’m. With you dude?

Ah common dude. It’s good question. Worth looking into it right. Maybe this insight will act. Know what I mean brah

whwt did you get from that one?

I was just wondering if you would immediately know what I meant. I don’t think you see what I meant though. Growth? technique to awaken? Is it very practical?

? nice dude Insight=action=SEEING. No practice is practical in SEEING. But maybe the this cultivation prevents SEEING. Or is Insight/SEEING is its own action, and it immediate. NOT a doing that leads to an action.

Definitely so. Yep. This insight does flash and that flash does put the necessary order in thought to deliver which ever product as a result of that. That’s how I see that for sure. The insight itself seems to come when cultivated movement comes to a complete stop. The rationalizing, as in explaining is thought coming in to communicate or make it a reality. I was very aware of that too. Good call dude. The question is, does time come full stop for this creative/mysteriousness to allow for that holistic insight? It’s hard to say. Yah dude, from what I see this seeing or healdessness is implicit in consciousness, yet only without that veil of time/things. Fosho. From what I see this seeing or healdlessness changes the whole field of reality itself. The question is can this psychological striving lie dormant for this to happen. Because we both know that psychologically movement is the breeder of thought itself. That’s why I wonder about it. It seems to me that from the place of where a head is not necessary I question if expression, as in scientific curiosity, or simply the complulsion to express ourselves would even be acted upon. This Creative expression of truth seems to me to move more towards the direction of nonexpression. It’s like I am free from even needing to express. It’s hella weird man. That is the last place the faceless dude and I left off on this topic. In this creative movement of headlessness does one even feel compelled to express? I say no, but it’s still fresh for me so I guess we will see dude. Anyway, most excellent post to me @DrewNows. I appreciate the your input on this. I see that you are actually understanding what I was getting at in the post. Always a pleasure man. We can keep it going if you like? Maybe start a thread on it.

That’s what I’m wondering about. Was this intuition born of this holistic seeing/truth, or was it the product of cultivated thought. From what he is known for like prediction, forcast I tend to be inclined to say it was the product of thought. But I’m not sure either. That’s why I’m wondering if it was intuition based or holistic perception/insight based. A seeing totlay empty of thought. The mysterious SEEING without the veil of the intellect/the past. Anyway thanks for your posts man. I will look into this a little deeper?

He was a most excellent forecaster or prediction expert right?

So what were the nature of his thoughts? Not a response of memory/the past, which projected forward as forecasting or anticipating? Or were those thoughts Not implicitly bias as thought tends to naturally lean towards?

On my phone ?. Hehe So thought ends so there can be this creative movement? Nature ? Do you see that desire/psychological striving in any way for example is reactionary and is an inherent limitation of thought? So if desire was involved in any way so was thought and therefore what they came up with didn’t transend thought at all. I don’t know, just exploring.

I always wondered the distinction between holistic insight and intuition. I have a feeling there may not be the same.

Is this intuition the product of cultivated time,as in continual accumulation of knowledge, experience, or does it arise when that movement of cultivation/the accumulated, as in thought, totally end?