Jack River

Well there seems to be a stopping of impressions so there doesn’t even seem to be anything that will self deceive. I think I get what your saying though dude. Yep. Those all apply most excellently. Over the last week it has gotten a lot more ongoing and intense.

The creative/non-awarenessness

@cetus56 yep!!

Jeesh !! Yep you’re right dude.

@cetus56 tried to put it out verbally in my thread awareness to unawareness. But it’s kinda hard to explain.

Yep. Nothingness Never heard of Nisargadatta. Cool. Would never have understood that until recently.

It can be said that there is many consciousnesses or one, but I say unconsciousness is prior to all that dudes. I feel that is I.

Unconsciousness, or ignorance

My point was taking notes on identifying self deception is or if you are deceiving yourself will be way to hard to do having to take notes and review them. It was only in reference to self deception though.

Can’t talk about nonduality but duality can be disguised. Right dude?

That’s low bro lol ? No I’m not talking about nonduality. That would be kinda a waste. Just speaking about self deception and being able to recognize its many forms. Because you referred to self deception and being able to detect.

awarenees doesn’t really work like that brother. there are so many subtleties of self and so many apparent distinctions in thought. I use to do what your trying now but self deception will go on and be missed in its many disguised forms. There is an insight that is so huge into self deception that it can be detected instantly as such. For example to have the insight into how fear manifest but may seem other than fear. Fear, identifying with things, psychological becoming, desire, attatchment to things, pleasure seeking, will manifests in many different ways. This is basically self resisting what is. Its like being able to see what we thought were a hundred distinctions of thought as actually one. This makes awareness of self deception a cake walk dude. This is insight into the whole of thought and self. Pretty easy and no content needed to record either. Because here you are watching thought movement. Anyway this has totally changed my life in the last few months. Good luck dude.

Learn about the self. After all same self as years past. Only a little less hairy, little taller, maybe nicer set of teeth, but psychologically shit hasn’t changed brah

Are they interesting to you? Then the value of them depends on that dude. Is it worth it in the sense that you want to get somewhere by reading them? Well I would say understanding this urge to get somewhere is a good place to start dude. Good luck?

Yep. I gotcha. Time momentum might have little gaps of this non reactive response of self. self in its nature resist that though. It’s tacit in its structure to self preserve that time momentum.

This CREATIVE is moment to moment, but so is Now @DrewNows lol

Gotcha. To me that is the only way thought can end. And it’s in the actual ending of psychological moment that the creative comes about. The creative itself seems to be total action that is needed to end psychological time/thought. Has nothing to do with temporary to me though. This creative is the ground. The thought is the temporary. If that makes sense brah. Most excellent questions dude. ?

It’s a conditioned action. Which means it is done with the motive of self. The ego always works within the field of reward and avoidance of punishment dude. Desire/psychological motive closes the window to kindness brah.

To me intelligent action seems to be total action itself. Impulse seems to be a conditioned movement that influences action. Good question though for sure.

I would lean towards if there is an impulse then they are the same.

What you mean dude? By fine line?

It would take a holistic understanding to do that. Which means staying with “the problem”. As I see no. The essence of the creation is not interested In moving in any particular direction. It’s not fixed in nature so it has no destination. Yeah love the same. I actually recently just saw that love/the creative are actually the same.

In “experiencing”, Nothingness is neither happy or pain. Its not a giving up anything. All self activity comes to an end. I can say that there is no fear whatsoever. Fear and self are one. Absolute is no “thing”. All the things of time drop off totally. If fear is experienced self remains in tact.

Don’t fill the void, stay empty dudes. Only self wants to fill/identify/depend/resist the emptiness of change.

The mind thinks it can progressively end itself. The thinker thinks it can continually advance towards the ending of itself. That’s the pattern mind works in. Insight into the whole of that pattern ends that pattern. The ending of time is freedom. Is it necessary to walk the road of intention? Well, the thing is we do anyway. Whether or not we see the falsity in doin so, if it’s neccessary, depends on the person. Looking for a way out is a conditioned movement of thought and sustains self. Staying with the problem without trying or escape, well that allows for this huge insight that stops all that self movement in its tracks.