Jack River

Assuming you mean Death. I’m not familiar with such thought content as Muladhara. But is there a “how”? The “how” can be seen as a restistance to death. How implies thought and thought is a response of memory/knowledge/time, and an entity that will allly that to die. You see what I mean brah? I see it as there is no how. Asking how implies incoherence. This seems to be why we as dudes and dudets never “transcend” or actually die.

The point is to see the pattern/program at work. To see that if I am always moving always from what is by looking for an answer/way out then that also implies resistance. Then I am not in a position to actually listen to anyone objectively anyhow. You see what I mean? By always looking for any old answer to escape the problem we avoid learning about the problem. This even means we are not really listening to others totally without bias. We are not actually going to be able to receive a communication without our bias, which arises from resistance. So if we are looking for answers and not willing to stay with the problem we never can see the problem as it is, but we ss it as we wish it to be. Not implying not to listen to others, but am saying that unless this is seen as it is we will not be able to actually receive from others and we will keep sustaining the illusion of self by remaining attachment/identified with our own bias/conditioning/psychological striving. Namean dude?

So really the spirit of the investigation/enquiry makes all the difference. We’re not looking for an answer but to understand the problem. Takes true humility/honesty though otherwise thought/self is still feeding on its self. This is what they meant by not moving within the field of time. This compulsion to look for answers in thought is known as psychological time actually. self looks for security in thought. Or self trying to apply thought to bring about psychological security. Which can never do so.

What I am saying is when looking for a way out of suffering by searching for answers In ideas/concepts or thought we are no matter the case implicitly strengthening self. This action seems to imply that we as self are different from that process of thought and “we” can control by applying thought content to solve a problem that’s exsit separate from “us”. It’s from the start trying to escape the illusion as if the problem is different from the one who wants to escape “it”. So as long as we see that looking for an answer out of a problem strengthens “me” then we will not try. So that is to escape what is the case. Understanding what is really means to embrace the relationship with the problem of what is, as it is, or not looking for an answer but willing to observe the the fact as it is. About the direct perception I agree. But this is a seeing that is not limited to that lens of self. Its actually what faceless and robdl would talk about a lot. A seeing all supposedly different and distinct thoughts/actions/reactions as actually one movement in motion. Through this direct perception that is at its essence not of the response of thought there is an ability to see the whole of thought/self. As where usually thought only can see a small part of thought and chops away at those parts. This for example is limited to seeing through the concept. Make sense?

When we ask how to we are looking to knowledge/memory to stop what memory/knowledge has sustained. This is what causes suffering/conflict. Asking how to end self suffering by looking to answers in thought(asking others or looking for knowledge). It’s the self, being an accumulation of personal knowledge and memory) seeking answers by using that same movement of thought. So when the self seeks a way out by conforming to thought content it is really strengthening its own structure. To see that looking to thought strengthens the psychological me will end that pattern.

Suffering seems to be a choice of the false chooser who’s choices are influenced by an incoherent understanding/awareness that such choices are always dividing/fragmentating/and lead towards conflict/illusion/suffering. Our conditioning kinda implies that as the self is in continuity it is not free to choose free of its own conditioning. Like a computer that is programmed to operate a certain way.

What makes it an illusion? Could it be the pursuit of the reward of contentment/happiness? Could it be looking to thought, as in the idea/concept/theory/abstraction of “nonduality” and conforming to it? Is this a process of self clinging to itself by looking for an answer/escape in “nonduality”(thought content). ?

The fact is division. It seems the escape from this fact is a reaction of that divison. Any movement away from what is the case seems to be the result of lack of unity/peace.

It seems these are actually directly related. Can you make what your saying simply clear my dude?

I think I’m following what your laying down sis

Fosho my dude? This genuine investigation/enquiry seems to be the determining factor. Unless there's that freedom, resistance calls the shots.

I feel ya. But nevertheless is it a means to an end? Is it reward based? That's the thing. In most cases it seems that the self is not interested in the unknown or what is, as in starting with true humility, which means no projecting according to its own content/movement of time. But is searching for a way out of the current state they are in. It’s a searching for security/safety. Namean dude?

The more we depend on time the longer consciousness stays at the place it is. Depending on time is resistance itself. Thinking evolution or time will end this unenlightend state is what sustains that state of divison/conflict.

which is why maybe starting with an understanding of self/though would create a foundation of what not to do. It wouldn’t be a choosing what not to do, but the absence of choice. Awareness would see that choice is the conditioned pattern. We would see that all movement of self is a movement that resist what is. Which means humility would be at essence non movement forward/backward to attain/resist.. As in no goal, no assumption which is a reaction that arises from the thought/emotion cycle. An assumption that there is such a thing as truth/enlightenment would not be concluded upon. There would be absolutely no movement towards or away from what is the case. Also known as no psychological becoming/time. It’s a genuine starting with I DONT KNOW, let’s find out. Right dude. You see in this we are not looking for an answer but are only staying with what is as the problem. Thought/self doesn’t seem to work that way. It always wants move away from what is to what it desires. Only that desire is a product of resistance/avoidance of the problem.

Again it’s not an understanding via verbal/intellectual. It’s a seeing which is its own action which brings a stop to that conditioned momentum.

No I totlay understand dude. But what if the “student” was already aware by “self” understanding that his moving towards reward would prevent an ending of conditioned momentum? You see what I mean?

Well that’s the point too. Resistance/assumption/not starting with humility seems to prevent actual seeing/listening. We come into a conversation with the personal goal/reward which prevents total insight. The goa/end will prevent truth. Because truth is not fixed. And a goal reward seems to imply that truth “enlightenment” is. What I mean is to humility seems to imply that there is insight that being inspired by reward will bring about a fixed outcome.

Right. It seems to be a pursuing what is already known. It’s like saying I want to die but only because I seek a reward such as truth or “enlightenment”. Therefore not interested in dying but a continuation of self and its attachment to itself(the known) or the content it accumulates as thought.

The pursuit can be seen as equally an act of rational conditioned thinking/achieving/projecting.

Fosho. But is the pursuit of a breakthrough a response of thought which is the same mechanism that thinks, theorizes, and is motivated by the fantasy of that breakthrough?

It seems this is a method of matter(thought) to progressively change its own conditioning with its own conditioned pattern. could there be a way to bypass all that?

Fosho. But, I can see people going in circles as resistance will continue to increase more conflict. And that conflict will be followed by a reaction which keeps the illusion going.

@PreetomAlso seems that many will conform to this way, and still continue to be caught in that path/ego/time pattern. This is where it can get difficult.

Right.

Or ego even before “on a path to enlightenment” is already on a path of its own prior to that.