Jack River

Disorder or nonbalance seems to come in when we put more emphasis on one part of experience/sensation or whatever. My point is simply awareness is holistic.

Fosho. I would see that as a defensive mechanism that brings about a sense of relief. I feel ya brah.

Your not seeing the point my dude. I don’t resist by focus/control. I’m not sure we are on point with the point. We can die or we can resist death.

That’s the point. Only thought will exclude parts of the whole. There is actually no directing necessary, unless the self feels there is. Only the self/controller directs in a particular direction.

No matte the case focusing or attending to breath is a movement of thought. Thought directs/works on a part.

Or can we say it’s all tapped into the whole directly. Don’t ignore is my point.

Here’s my point brah....awareness of breath I get it..?. But i don't stop at that. Awareness/total attention is to the whole process and the processes that arise of those processes. Like thought movement. I’m with you dude. Only I don’t stop at breath.

It can be said that the particular mind is the result of a material process in body. Right? I wouldn’t say breath and the material process that brings about thought is much different.

It can be seen as a tool that thought uses to try and transesnd itself. Without thought/self identifying with the breath there would be no entity that directs. Right?

I feel ya dude. But then why “breath work”..as to designate attention on a particular direction is born of the same place where imagination spawns from. Thought/intellect/the thinker/the experiencer/the doer. Right man. So you see what I’m saying...intelligence doesn’t designate/direct/exclude any of its parts. Breathing is a material process and so is thought/intellect a process that takes place in the body.. Both a process within a process etc.

Why not be attentive/aware of the Inward/outward (the whole)? Not excluding any parts dude, right dude? the intellect never sees the whole, but excludes parts.

Then why make it so complicated by applying breath work? Using the breath seems a lot more complicated then it needs to be. Right? I am referring more to nonbeing though too. Not sure if we are speaking about the same “thing” by brah.

Fosho dude? Party on!

Oh hehe. Well that seems to be making things more complicated then they have to be.

Antagonism is resistance dudes.

Might want to be a little clearer my dude. You mean a perception without concepts and such. it can be a problem when communicating traditional text and not trying to lay out the context of what you mean. Can you give me a little more on what it points too my Brahman? Otherwise I don’t know what you are referring to.

I figured out the moment to moment dying recently. Most excellent.. Good luck dude?

The “where” will fall apart when the self actually dies.

Lol ? Fosho dude also might want to learn how we project knowledge/experience, thought, in place of a “direct experience”. And how “self” holds on to experiences. This seems to keep alive self. The self tends to cultivate an appetite for certain experiences. The ”me” will have a certain experience record them and cling to that experience which give self its continuity as the “experiencer”. So there may be a moment of death but it’s short lived when we are chemically induces..Then memory of that experience and we are back into the dual again. Because the memory is always limited to experience/the dual.. The point is death is a moment to moment type of deal. So actually the difficult thing is dying continually. It’s not looking to the experience of death, but more about sustaining death continually by never accumulating experience or holding on to experience, as in AWARNESS. So a way to look at is the ground or default “state” is not an experience but is no experience. Experience comes in when thought is used to navigate/respond physically. Like using thought/experience to learn intellectually, solve outward problems using thought. So try psychedelics fosho, but look into how self records/projects an experience and holds on to an experience as well. This will prevent the need to depend on psychedelics and the after effect of projecting your own accumulated content of knowledge in place of that no self experience when you come to and the chemical wears off. Then you will be able to die continually from moment to moment. Then the more moment to moment awareness stops this unnecessary recording/projecting, then the deeper in nothingness as default.

Assuming you mean Death. I’m not familiar with such thought content as Muladhara. But is there a “how”? The “how” can be seen as a restistance to death. How implies thought and thought is a response of memory/knowledge/time, and an entity that will allly that to die. You see what I mean brah? I see it as there is no how. Asking how implies incoherence. This seems to be why we as dudes and dudets never “transcend” or actually die.

The point is to see the pattern/program at work. To see that if I am always moving always from what is by looking for an answer/way out then that also implies resistance. Then I am not in a position to actually listen to anyone objectively anyhow. You see what I mean? By always looking for any old answer to escape the problem we avoid learning about the problem. This even means we are not really listening to others totally without bias. We are not actually going to be able to receive a communication without our bias, which arises from resistance. So if we are looking for answers and not willing to stay with the problem we never can see the problem as it is, but we ss it as we wish it to be. Not implying not to listen to others, but am saying that unless this is seen as it is we will not be able to actually receive from others and we will keep sustaining the illusion of self by remaining attachment/identified with our own bias/conditioning/psychological striving. Namean dude?

So really the spirit of the investigation/enquiry makes all the difference. We’re not looking for an answer but to understand the problem. Takes true humility/honesty though otherwise thought/self is still feeding on its self. This is what they meant by not moving within the field of time. This compulsion to look for answers in thought is known as psychological time actually. self looks for security in thought. Or self trying to apply thought to bring about psychological security. Which can never do so.

What I am saying is when looking for a way out of suffering by searching for answers In ideas/concepts or thought we are no matter the case implicitly strengthening self. This action seems to imply that we as self are different from that process of thought and “we” can control by applying thought content to solve a problem that’s exsit separate from “us”. It’s from the start trying to escape the illusion as if the problem is different from the one who wants to escape “it”. So as long as we see that looking for an answer out of a problem strengthens “me” then we will not try. So that is to escape what is the case. Understanding what is really means to embrace the relationship with the problem of what is, as it is, or not looking for an answer but willing to observe the the fact as it is. About the direct perception I agree. But this is a seeing that is not limited to that lens of self. Its actually what faceless and robdl would talk about a lot. A seeing all supposedly different and distinct thoughts/actions/reactions as actually one movement in motion. Through this direct perception that is at its essence not of the response of thought there is an ability to see the whole of thought/self. As where usually thought only can see a small part of thought and chops away at those parts. This for example is limited to seeing through the concept. Make sense?

When we ask how to we are looking to knowledge/memory to stop what memory/knowledge has sustained. This is what causes suffering/conflict. Asking how to end self suffering by looking to answers in thought(asking others or looking for knowledge). It’s the self, being an accumulation of personal knowledge and memory) seeking answers by using that same movement of thought. So when the self seeks a way out by conforming to thought content it is really strengthening its own structure. To see that looking to thought strengthens the psychological me will end that pattern.

Suffering seems to be a choice of the false chooser who’s choices are influenced by an incoherent understanding/awareness that such choices are always dividing/fragmentating/and lead towards conflict/illusion/suffering. Our conditioning kinda implies that as the self is in continuity it is not free to choose free of its own conditioning. Like a computer that is programmed to operate a certain way.