Jack River

Wouldn’t that be glorious heh. Lol I’m just referring to communication with a suspended bias. Exploring the problem together(thought and its nature). There is no reason to argue over what is. Violence/racism is the fact. Your opinion and my opinion to solve violence/racism is besides the point. The answer comes from understanding the problem without resistance(holding to my opinion/answer as being the best one).

We created reality the way it is. The damage is done. It will takes some time to make worse or undo that damage. Right dude? Our imposition of our views/opinions are the reason it is the way it is.

Reality is what it is. Our view has no matter in the case. All perspectives are relative. I am simply saying let’s lay our perspectives and therefore opinions aside and understand together. That’s all dude. Talking about attachment/resistance/identification and such. Namean?

Exactly. You said it. The reality is what it is. Can’t change what is, all we can do is learn about what is and end that pattern in ourselves. Any “outward” changing will be minor.

All of this starts with the child. That’s why it’s important to go into all this with a child. That is learning. As they grow this problem of relationship is gone into. Im not talking about what is happening now. I’m speaking about “future” humanity. Starting with the child is what’s needed.

I created those systems. What are you asking me here lol

The self uses ideas, philosophy, concepts, religion, and etc to bypass psychologically. But I am speaking very generally here. Has nothing to do with spirituality. And has nothing to do with psychological time which is the basically the same thing. I am simply pointing out that that is what the problem is itself. Let’s understand it together.

Fosho. In the seeing/understanding of all that we will not move in that pattern. The solution arises in the understanding of what is the case. That’s not the point. Awareness of the process/movement in relation to content which brings about the emotional reaction is the point. It is actually very practical. Doesn’t get more practical than that.

Your world view and my world view are are the problem. A problem of self clinging to thought.(its accumulated knowledge/experience).

I feel ya. That is the self in Action. Is it my perspective that thought is the root of such issues? Or is it so? Thought excludes. That was my original point. Going back and forth with who’s opinion is better was an expression of that. Thats my main point. Understand the problem together. What is the root of racism, thought ofcourse. It’s not rocket science. The problem starts in me, you, us.

The point has been made, until self understanding there is no listening/learning/communication with others.

It’s not hocus pocus dudes...it’s pretty simple this actually.

Spiritual bypassing can also manifest itself by teaching, helping “society”. Don’t kid yourself. The self will play such wonderful games with itself heh.

Is it? Or is it going from one condition to another? Action born of another reaction. If you look very close you will see that the self isnthe society. Society may be changing very superficially, but those changes may be the result of thought and therefore static. Thought always looking to solve its problems according to its own accumulated bais, which brings about inherent limitation. Also such “change” may be derived from the incoherent idea as such a thing as society actually existing. This tends to take the ‘attention of myself’ and how I live my daily life in relationship. My point is if we take responsibility in our daily life that will be expressed in “society”.

Ever moment mankind feeds that stream of disorder with his or her reactions. Can I, you, stop feeding that stream? That is the question brah

There is no teacher. We all discuss together. There is skill needed to communicate to a certain degree yes but this cannnot be taught persay. Seriosuly dude the promotion of “societal change” has failed again and again. It starts with me, you. There is no society

We can’t separate the outward form the inward. That is why we are in this mess.

Discuss the root of all such social problems together, which is thought. Racism is a re reaction of thought that clings to what is familiar(its contents) its experiences, it’s knowledge, the past)(its sub culture).

What does the problem of racism arise from? Is it not thought?

Start by coming together to discuss the nature of thought/self. Starting with understanding ourselves in relationship. Our tendencies to impose images on ourselves/others. Observe our tendencies to seek security in our own bais, which is part of the structure of self/thought. Observe how every “movement of self” is to resist what is actual in experience, which is also an action influenced by knowledge/experience(thought). To basically see how thought is responsible for all problems discused here on the forum today. All social/psychological problems stem from thought running incoherently. Thought seeking psychological security first and foremost. Which implies violence. It is a resistance to relationship. Action born of isolation/fear.

Anything thought thinks about and invents is a reality and therefore relative. What I am saying is the consciousness of mankind is its beliefs, biases, and etc. let’s learn about all that. That is us, that is common. And all that is expressed in “society”. Understanding all that, not intellectually/conceptually, but holistically ends all that of the conditioned consciousness. Then we have stepped out of that stream of disorder. That contributes to the whole of consciousness.

From the moment self reacts in relationship (resistance/attachment/identification) and then adheres to a self image, which implies the projection of that image onto others, then the violence/war begins. The actual battle is just a result of that violence. But the initial violence stems from the “me” “you” in relationship. Or the lack of actually.

I’m not siding with anyone here but mankind. The fact is shit hasn’t changed in thousands of years. And the more we continue in the same old thought/self patterns, or outward imposition of “our own” means of change, the more we are going to continue destroying ourselves. And it’s not abstract. The abstract is actually considering “that war” as being different from any other. Has any war actually ended? Or has war been a continuous progression of ego/thought since early man?

Dude. That is not what I’m saying. That is hilarious though. Absolute??? I am speaking relatively/on a reality level here.

We can’t reduce/control racism as that is still a form of violence. Any action influenced by thought will be limited dudes. Every action has lead the world in the current state it is in. We never stop and understand what is happening.