Jack River

I’m not sure what Leo refers too. I’m kind of a solo/self obsever. The intelligence I refer to is whole. Undivided action. Not a two step process (movement of thought/then action). Intelligence acts instantaneously where as divided action/intellect-action implies a conditioned movement of thought then action. When a bus is coming to destroy this body or or I walk up on a venomous snake do I sit there and think about it, or do I move away from the danger?

What do you mean?

Hehe develop what?

The implicitations of this are most excellent and totally necessary dudes.

? what would you say is the greatest responsibility after freedom/liberation? To embody truth right...which means can I live a day to day life free of the image of myself which gets projected in relationship onto others. Do you realize the energy it takes to do this?

Fosho dude! Fear and pleasure go very much together. To understand fear we have to understand pleasure and vice versa. Fear lies behind every movement away from what-is and towards what should be (movement of psychological becoming). Fear is the breeding ground for resistance/attachment/identification(the search for security/permanence in that which is impermanent(time).

That’s not fear, that’s intelligence dude?

@Serotoninluv I’m not hating dog..I love you as I love myself?? Love all you ***ker’s ?

Time awakenings?? I’m still not certain you get what am referring to when I talk about time. There seems to be a less than holistic comprehension of time. But I don’t know my man. its completely useless to communicate the unknown/timeless dude. Its shit you can read out of a book/knowledge. Plus when I hear people on the forum or anywhere for that matter try and explain such, i have heard it all before. It’s so obvious it is a regurgitation of knowledge. And there is a reason “it” is refered to as the nameless. Haha let’s keep it that way..I only talk about the known/knower my brahman?

Time, time, time, ..step out of the river of time dude. Ride that endless/timeless wave of freedom my man?

The self loves nothing more that to introduce another facet to be achieved in time.Psychologically this is to maintain a certain continuity/life force for the illusion of self. The future is what we are now. Total change either happens now or yet doemt happen..The self loves the idea of gradual change. To reach freedom gradually is food for self. I am only speaking of psychological freedom(liberation). Freedom without conflict/suffering due to the divison between “the me” and “my” experiences(attachment/resistance/identification). Namean dude

Cultivation/progression has it’s place as a function dudes, but when it comes to the psychological field it has no place at all. Psychological Freedom(liberation) is not the result of cultivation/time/thought.

Sure..either one is still an action of cultivation/time. Psychological becoming or otherwise known as the positive/negative dynamic of self(resistance). But either way the self that looks to cultivate freedom via time(thought) actually sustains the divison between the experiencer and the experience, and therefore the root of conflict/suffering. Intelligence sees this movement of time and its falsity and ends that continuity of progression/cultivation/psychological evolution. This can be argued to death, yet still doesn’t change that reality.

The self also seems to love to make things difficult by super imposing the progression of stages too. The way i see it, all this stages, levels, progression is all an invention of thought that the self uses to worship itself. The self creates its own image and pursues that image. Therefore the image it has projected becomes its own self imposed realty. A satisfying illusion to maintain a certain sense of psychological security. The self is so clever dudes. It loves to create a most excellent drama

The self has the tendency to evaluate according to its bias/prejudices(knowledge/experience/memory). In this is an example of thoughts compulsion to make things more and more complex and push psychological freedom further and further away in time. Wisdom seems to be expressed in the form of thought yet is born intelligence (that which is beyond the limitations of the mechanical self). That intelligence seems to meet what is complicated very simply. Intelligence puts order in thought. Thought then knows its place. Intelligence knows when thought (knowledge/experience) is necessary and when it is not. Intelligence sees thoughts limitations and the danger of employing thought to solve psychological problems. Intelligence understands that thought has no place to resolve psychological issues. The liberated mind sees the falsity of cultivating freedom by employing thought as a means. This is and example of meeting the complicated mind with simplicity. Things will obviously become complicated when relaying/communicating this to a mind that has not observed itself free of evaluation/analysis. Wisdom seems to come come with self understanding dudes. To obseve what-is without evaluating can then be expressed as wisdom via communication dudes. ?

Complexity loves to avoid and can’t stand simplicity

To obseve without evaluating (where wisdom arises) seems to lead to the healdessness(no-experience) that people have refered to. Although this doesn’t seem to come into being when there is any attempt to exclude/manipulate/choose as the chooser though. We dont need a tank to do that though. Actually it can be seen that if we need to exclude the senses in order to arive at any specific state, then that is still movement of self subtly controlling “its” experience. Which implicitly limits what-is to past experience as the experiencer(movement of the past). And that may explain why after that particular experience ended we would be back in the field of time/self after. To exclude any aspects of experience is an action/projection of past experience/knowledge/memory as the self/time. This imlies that non-experience was born of past experience. So maybe it was actually an experience as the experiencer. And that wisdom which can be followed by headlessness doesn’t seem to involve experience/knowledge (accumulation/cultivation) of thought at all, But actually an ending of it. An ending to seeing through the veil of images(thought/the past). To obseve what-is without evaluation/analysis is where wisdom is born. This seems to imply also no reaction of selfs emotion/thought cycle being fed(psychological continuity of the self) or divided action. That movement of self/time seems to be where this accumulation(personal experience/knowledge/memory) seems to get projected as a “new” experience. That is what seems to prevent the head from falling off(ending of experience).

As I see it, Wisdom (intelligence) comes in the ability to observe without evaluating. Wisdom is not the result of accumulation(experience/knowledge) but is an expression of holistic understanding/comprehension of thoughts/reality’s nature. Wisdom comes in seeing what-is without distortion of thought/the mechanical self (time) distorting what-is.

To understand yourself as the entity that imposes images on itself and thefore others. Fosho.

@Anton Rogachevski observation of ourselves in relationship is the teacher.

I agree dude. Well said dude. I totlay feel ya.?

@Pouya ?

If we are in conflict now, we can be sure that every movement we make in our daily life is resistance. Can we be aware of that? We may see that literally every moment of the day is a movement away from what is. Awareness of this movement is necessary fosho.

So any movement of control/effort is time/self(resistance) in action. If there is conflict as you mentioned above then we can be sure that there is resistance. Control/effort/resistance=conflict all of this is divison implies we are acting on the notion that the subject is separate from the object. That the controller is distinct from the controlled. This divison causes conflict/resistance/suffering. Until the divison is seen through as being one unit of Time(the controller is the controlled) this conflict/resistance will continue.

The self is time... Thought is the past The self identifies with the past and modifies (chooses/decides according to its bias) the present “the me”. Then there is a projection of the above as the future(thinking). Continuity of the self(psychological time). So the self in its structure is fixed in time which in its nature resists what is “now”. The self is the past/present/projected future. The movement of the self/thought imples resistance to what is right now. Because the past (“my” knowledge/experience-memory(thought) meets the now and there is a conflict between what is and what I think should be, which is a bais of my own accumulation of (knowledge/experience/memory). Any movement away from what is the fact, to what should be (my bias/prejudice-thought) is resistance.