Jack River

The ego/fear seems to feed off control/effort. Likea self sustaining mechanism. Can that be healthy?

Can we say the motive/intention to remove the need for outside validation is influenced itself by a self imposed image? Does this imply control/effort? And if so, does that effort/control feed the image of self, and feed it’s own divison between the experiencer and the experience(thinker and the thought? If this divided action is taking place isn’t it implicit in that that there will be a self induced image and image projection as well?

I feel ya dude.. Notice how that sense of reward arises too. This can also be a subtle indication of a self imposed image feeding off itself. The self seems to feed off the image it invents of itself, and that image will also seek security by others validating it. If they don’t go along with(validate that image) shit can quickly hit the fan. Pretty gnarly how these images bring about conflict huh?

And driven motive conditioned by the notion of reward and punishment(ego/self/time).

Is it another habit that we need, or the holistic understanding of habit?

As I said...which means can I live a day to day life free of the image of myself which gets projected in relationship onto others. Can you do this? Yeah Buddhism says that.. Can we go beyond what we have heard about “enlightenment”? Past all the superficial mutterings

Haha! It does all by its self

Intelligence sees the danger as danger and responds accordingly dude?

@Preetom thought will play some tricks heh

What you say comes as a result of seeing through that divison which is action in its end.

If we are talking to somebody who has not yet understood the self/thought they will most definitely get caught in such a trap as disidentification but identification with what they have accumulated via knowledge. I understand what you mean, although I think that can easily set up years of divison/conflict. That’s how I see it thought my dude.

You don’t see the trap in identifying as “the watcher” dude?

Your the bomb sister! I am your dude fo life?

Be careful with identifying period. Identification is a movement of divided action. People seem to disidentify with thought/emotion/reaction which also leads to further divison between the experiencer and the experience, thinker and the thought. The supposed divison between “me” and “my” thoughts/emotions/reactions are what causes conflict/suffering. It takes two to conflict. So it’s important that we don’t subtly reinforce another divison without noticing so. Thought can be extremely tricky and sneaky as @robdl has mentioned.

The problem seems to lie in the lack of relationship with ourselves, which is expressed in relationship with others/environment. It all starts with I(me).

Divided action as such will not act instantly and totally. It’s inherenet structure feeds off its tendency of coming to an action ‘gradually’ over time/accumulation/cultivation. This puts action further away in time. Really a resistance to act totally/wholly NOW. This insight blew my freakin mind not apart, but together. Made whole.

It’s pretty gnarly..The divided action of self/thought to control(progressively change fear with time/cultivation/effort) actually feeds that movement of fear/divison.

FEAR=TIME (the continuity of self).

You get what I’m getting at my dudet? when you see the danger in psychological fear, do you think “oh I should end that, how can I end it”, or do you simply end it? From the notion of being a self we tend to think about how do I get rid of this fear. Which is what breeds that fear. So intelligent action sees the danger and end it right then. It doesn’t ask how do I, what should I do..it acts wholly.

The fear you refered to being dangerous is the fear of thought psychologically, right? That means there is a incoherence operating in thought. A supposed divison between the experiencer and the experience, which creates a confused response of action or non action. As is suggesting in the tread tittle. Psychological Fear is the result of the supposed divison. Attachment/resistance/identification. Intelligence sees this and ends it instantly/totally.

No because they haven’t biologically evolved quite yet.

Your not gettting my point about the intelligence response I made to you? To me fear is more of a “me” coming to an end. As in psychological ending. And when the body acts completely/totlay without thought/self thinking about it that is an action of intelligence(the organism protecting itself). Fear/action seems more psychological intelligence seems more biological but intelligence actually seems to be a harmony between the emotions/intellect. When the intellect takes over we get the psychological fear which seems to confuse/conflict total action.

Hey I have had that happen with my nephew as well dude. Scary. The same as a little cub/lion out in safari...needs protection from its papa/mama as it hasn’t reached a certain age yet.

Tell me, when a bus is speeding your way do you act and move out of danger, or think about acting?

Fosho dude.. you called it fear..I call it intelligent action to step out of the way of a speeding bus