Jack River

procrastination to die..and therefore to procrastinate the actualization of FREEDOM/LIBERATION.

Time implies continuity, and continuity maintains divison between “me” and “my” thoughts. This divison sustains inner dialog(complulsive thought chatter). Instead of looking to quiet the mind(motive/cultivation/time), ask ourselves, why is the mind loud/conflicted/divided/compulsive in its thinking?

Pretty crazy how following an established formula subtly implies freedom will be attained in the future. It seems to be missed because there is limited insight into the whole picture of what-is(time). Time limits this insight to only a fragment and not the whole of what-is. Therefore really what we are doing is resisting what-is(insight). Namean dude?

I see dude. Good luck ?

What do we mean by determination? What is implied in that? fixation of will toward a goal, state of mental resolution with regard to something?

What is implied in cultivation?

A self sustaining mechanism. Loop of time? Is that what you mean?

The self loves to depend on a formula. To reach what the formula/map promises. A self will avoid the map as it is actually(self activity) and seems to be more interested in what the map should be(various paths/formulas and such. This shows some of the trickery of a self.

Why does a self feel it needs to accumulate knowledge-experience(experiences) to find freedom?, and how does that project freedom/liberation further in time/future?

What do you mean by cultivation?

Yeah I’ve noticed a few walking around the town I live lately.

Nice gown dude

Cultivated let go?

Fosho? Its not something so abstract that it’s difficult to see or observe, but sometimes the self distorts the obviousness of it. It’s an important thing to talk about. It is a common characteristic among dudes and dudet’s.

Never in relationship. An obsession about keeping a healthy body, fine tuned vehicle and such ok, but when it comes to relationship, as in psychologically with (ourselves/others/environment)..then no this obsession(image imposition) is destructive. Actually the the reason life is the way it is now.

It’s the relationship between images that causes this. My self image seeks comfort/gratification/validation in the image I project on to another persona or a thing. Without the two images (self image and image that strengthens my self image) there can be a sense thinking/feeling “I” am unfulfilled/empty/isolated/lonely. This can be seen directly by observing ourselves.

The self/ego/experience/‘time’ frame are all one unit of psychological momentum(evolution). The ego that cultivates time/thought as a means to die is really resisting death. Death is not based on a moment in the future or the past and doesn’t exsist as a memory. Death means dying to the known/knower(the content of “the me-time”. Real dying is dynamic and not fixed as a point of time(the past). Real dying is from day to day, moment to moment. Then in that death there is ACTUAL living untanted by time. Then there is the NEW.

To me the path and the self go hand and hand. One unit in movement of attachment to thought-(the entity-past/modified present/projected future). A continuous depending to progressively/gradually cultivate its way to freedom through a map/means/its own time bound continuity(thought). The momentum of the self gets its substance from this compulsion to conform too and work progressively chipping away; by applying what the pre-established path has advised(techniques/practices/knowledge). In reality the self has been in one way or another on a path since “it’s beginning”. A continuous movement of cultivating knowledge/experience to end its psychological confusion/suffering. Once it’s seen that the path a self walks nourishes “self”, then that is beginning of freedom. Is it necessary for us to walk a path to get this liberation? Or is it a fact that that is why we are not free? Or does it take looking at the whole picture of how the path and the self are one unit in movement of attachment/resistance/identification(time)? Can there be a seeing that in order for there to be total and complete action there must be a stepping out of the river of time?

He self is such a trickster heh.

To a self/ego, seeking to ‘achieve’ “enlightenment” is no different than a self/ego looking to achieve success/gratification/satisfaction in an “experience”. The self/ego strives to become something in time.

@Charlotte thank you! I like reading your posts..very genuine/honest fosho?

I’m fairly certain you missed what I’m saying here. It hasn’t quit clicked yet what I’m talking about. Which is common here on the forum. The holistic understanding is its own discipline. I’m not talking about the conditioned discipline of authority. Discipline that arises naturally without any type of divisive action of time/the mechanical self(cultivated/progressive). Routine has its place physically, but it’s the psychological habit that I’m referring too. This holistic insight seems to be very foreign to people. The mind seems to avoid, overlook, resist the simplicity of it all. Thought tends to move only within its own conditioning, which explains why habit is a go to to end habit...pretty interesting though fosho.

Once we start observing/leaning about ourselves we will see we are not only conditioned to follow outward authority but conditioned to conform to our own imward authority as well (knowledge/experience as memory-thought). The authority of the self(psychological time). This is the beginning of freedom dudes. ?

Embodiment is the result of seeing holistically the falsesnss in freedom(ending of suffering) being brought about through cultivation/progression/time, through habit which actually causes more fear/conflict/suffering. Conceptual/intellectual understanding will not bring about this embodiment you speak of. Seeing the fact of what is, and not moving away from it does. To see the truth of the fact without fear preventing that seeing does. The conceptual/intellectual accumulation and the mechanical self are really one unit of Time which looks to apply its very own structure to end the problems that structure/mechanism has brought about. No amount of knowledge/habits will end suffering. The habit/accumulated knowledge/experience is all the movement of the entity/self/ego/conditioning. To look to that same entity/conditioned movement of the past for help sustains that conflict/suffering and divison between the “me” and “my” problems. Nothing wrong with cultivating routines/knowledge/experience(thought) practically to solve physical survival problems; like skill development and such. But when it comes to ending suffering(the psychological field), we may soon see that to depend on habit/knowledge/experience to do so actually sustains divison/suffering, and keeps that conditioned action of disorder(fear/anger/isolation and image projection alive). Do we really need any outside agency(map) that offers answers to end our suffering, or do we already have the only map we need right here in plain site(the self/ourselves/thought)? Instead of looking to any outward authority can we instead just watch/observe/see what-is in ourselves? To try and cultivate our way to psychological freedom implies a resistance to die. And it’s only in psychological death that there is actual harmonious living. Embodiment comes about with holistic action. An action that is not the product of divided action(two or more step process and then action). Anyway that’s the way I see it my dudes?

Maybe a philosophy of no philosophy. Instead of seeing in accordance to a philosophy he talked about seeing what-is actual/fact, and not what we think we should see or should be. He talked about how we resist seeing what-is. Nature of mind/thought/self. Attachment/resistance/identification(time).