Jack River

I agree dude. It is interesting though huh.

That’s still speculation. Even when the head falls off in no-thing-ness realm we can not be sure it’s the same to a bird and so on. To bring up birds/trees and so on is not going to cut it. Interesting to speculate on though. Its obvious that there are levels of fields. To say that birds/trees are the same as fact is still reality’s distortion.

Fosho. What I am speaking of is the ending of conciousness as we know it.

Ah I see? how do you know it’s applicable to birds/trees and such?

Truth is action (life is action).

The Conciousness of birds and humans is obviously going to be different. What I have said above is in relation to human consciousness. To venture outside of that is inevitably reality transcending it’s limits again. What I have refered to in the thread is in regard to content of consciousness as we ‘know’ it. A ‘me’ doesn’t know/experience truth. That is what I intended to post about. The me is its experience/the known.

Hehe. Well only thing I can say is there is a seeing. Lets leave the beautiful birds out of it eh.?

When your head falls off my friend. It’s all revealed. In that a perspective is not. Centerlessness (non-being). You will see dude.

Yeah I’m not suggesting seperation of reality. That’s reality coming in and distorting what is. As I mentioned before, a turning no-thing-ness to a thing. To thingify. This is what I was referring to in the other thread about experience. In reference to registration/recollection(memory)

There is not really a separate thing. It’s all one. What I’m saying is in the sense that with this holistic insight/energy which is action/truth, that comprehends the whole (contains/holds) the whole of reality. A man/woman does not live in reality, reality lives in man/woman. We hold it. You see what I mean?

As I said before..truth comprehends reality, reality doesn’t comprehend truth. To think otherwise is to assume that reality is WHAT IS and self(reality) can know or experience the whole of WHAT IS.....this is not the case. This is thought/reality transcending it’s own implicit limitation. This is a fundamental distortion of reality itself.

I’m simply referring to time. Putting reality/thought/time in its right place. As function and not as all important. Truth comprehends the limitation of reality. With this energy of truth/insight/action there is a seeing that reality is a function/part of actuality(What is) itself. Truth contains/holds reality. Truth is whole/undivided..there is no divison/separation at all.

Experience is both real and unreal. Truth is not comprehended by experience. Truth comprehends the totality of the real and the unreal(experience). Reality doesn’t comprehend truth, truth comprehends reality. The self, it’s practices, techniques, systems, knowledge/experience, and the selfs cumulative experiences(pleasurable/mystical), it’s progression/cultivation/ psychological evolution are all born of reality with its inherent limitation striving towards the unlimited. All a distortion to employ limitation to transcend that very limitation. The question of psychedelics or no psychedelics is all part of the game of reality. The game of self/ego(psychological evolution). Stepping out of the river of time does not depend on time which involves all reality’s distortions. In comprehending the totality of reality there is simply a stepping out of the field. The understanding/comprehension is the action of stepping out of that field/river. The action of stepping out is truth.

Then with that total unconditioned freedom may be actualized the sacred. And its not a place/state to arrive.

I understand what your saying I think. This insight I’m speaking of isn’t experience based. It’s a perception/energy that is so free that it ends all movement towards the desire for experiences. Its instantaneous. The insight is action(the doing) That action simply stops moving within the field psychological evolution(progress-cultivation/content of consciousness accumulation). To see that whatever i do, is futile. Its stepping out of the river of time.

I noticed that conceptual work, meditating, practice, techniques, as in being motivated and acting on the demand for results, is really all one and the same thing. It was a enourmous insight that ended all such resistance. Energy skyrocketed once that resistance was not fed into.

I’m sorry dude. I meant less subtle registration. As in ending each experience as it arises. Not carrying it over.

The need for comfort and indulging in that demand itself seems to be what keeps the time loop strong. I didn’t notice a sequence of stages that led to this actualization but simply attending(awareness) to time movement without acting on that movement(positive/negative resistance/reaction).

In other words the majority of the Day is spent without time/thought, unless thought is called for of course. Even then thought can operate without psychological distortion.

registration as reaction..to respond to experiential exchanges between inner phenomena/others and even environmental challenges. It’s conmon to react to these experiencings. But we, or as I use to do, respond psychologically continuously from moment to moment by habit/mechanically...This keeps the response of thought/time cycle moving. Giving it momentum. Making for small intervals of timelessness and the rest of our lives bouncing from experience to experience.

The less recording seems to deepen this timelessness. For me it started with psychological recording and deepened to recording in general. The psychological recording seems to keep this time loop/cycle in motion.

When time/thought stops you will notice that registration stops as well. The contextualization registration and recollection(response of thought) seems to stop. So no recording is taking place

Yeah..maybe memory is coming in and thingifyjng that nothingness. I found that as these “intervals” extended for longer and longer it was because there was less still subtle registration taking place. This also relates to the absence of spatial awareness.

I feel ya. It’s gotta be done as such to communicate.

Just to add to this a little. The ego, the story, the timeline, contextualization, this before and after/beginning & ending of experience continuity, and the tendency to crave that experience again and again(desire/pleasure) is itself all one and the same movement of time. Once that movement of time/self ceases to perpetuate itself, there is a switch from rare and short lived intervals of timeless direct experiencings, to small intervals of time-bound experiences. In actuality I wouldn’t consider the timeless as an experience at all.