Jack River

INSIGHT is an action that doesn't have its root in ‘giving up control’ which still remains subtle control. Mind/body only works in the groove of pursuing objective experience(desire in pursuit). It can easily invent ‘giving up control’ as one of its objective desires. This self sustaining mechanism will disguise itself as other than desire.

@Aakash were just “two” interested ?’s investigating experience right? So if I were to miss or not discern a certain experience from the KNOWING of it and because of that got drawn in to the story I would be feeding the character? Do you see how this would recycle the mind/body point of view in “future” experiences? And how mechanical/systematic redirecting, while can be beneficial, will also limit this interval of KNOWING?

So as the I is aware right now do you see how it all works together? It’s like being able to observe with different points of view simultaneously. You can discern and identify space/time activity in your day to day living. So you dont have to as I said before systematically go back and keep asking yourself who is aware of this activity. Harmony dude. No effort, no conflict, no feeding the habitual mind/body unconsciously, which prevents sustained and uninterrupted KNOWING or headlessness.

A man is praised for his dedication and joins the marines to serve his country/society and fight in a war. He claims he is willing to sacrifice himself for the “greater good” of his county/society. He is the hero of his people. A man is pressured by means of antagonism & ridicule to serve his county/society by going to fight in a war. He claims he is not willing to kill another because he honestly doesn’t see any distinction between him and other, his country and another. He isn’t fooled by the abstract line or border that divides the two apparent society’s. He sees this as a worthy sacrifice. He is scorned by his people and is treated with disgust and contempt. He accepts this outcome as worth while doesn’t play the hero. ?

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@cetus56 body/mind does wonders in the navigation & orientation department?

I couldn’t understand anything on the forum 6 months ago. You understand what’s written on here when you understand what’s inherent in your own experience. There are a few tips you will find on here though. Some more substantial, some not so much. Cetus pointed at some important things. Explore them. You be aight, dude

You will be ok dude. Just start exploring yourself in direct experience. You can start right NOW ? you will never arrive, because you never actually departed. That’s the gospel dude

Everyone’s enlightened but you @The Don haha no, but seriously.. there is only one enlightened one and it’s ( I )

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@cetus56 you got it dude Notice @The Don that Cetus last two posts refer to egos fixed nature. The first post.. Ego will go about things with a fixed disposition. So it prevents or resists ego death inherently. Key words..ego death RIGHT NOW. As to move in a fixed groove implies time or thought/ego. Escapes from now. Ego fuel. This shows how flimsy the ego is and how it is questioning its own fixed nature. It wants its usual ego fuel, and you are starving it.

From the body/mind point of view “it” will only act when the possibility is already fixed in a preferred way. Ego works within its own fixed limits.

? Ego loves motivation and determining/concluding whether something is possible or not before acting.

yep. I figured. Communication makes things merky. The question is not separate from the answer and the answer isn’t found anywhere but ‘here-NOW’ (in or as YOU) anyhow. You are your own best teacher?

This is in reference to your embodiment statement. In regards to discernment. Do you see the apparent distinction? This was what I was speaking of with the illusion & reality part of my previous posts.

No. The acceptance or resistance problem/conflict ends at I am not distinct from the problem/question of should I accept or resist. To me resistance to what-is involves an entity (body/mind) who chooses between these two options. With INSIGHT there is not choosing. ‘Choosing’ on the relative level is a sort of procrastination. Food for ego. Sustains it’s own illusory continuity. By not divorcing the “two” (subject-object activity) what remains as KNOWING? Action from this point of view has already claimed responsibility. Any action that arises from this place of order/security will be responsible. They are and they are not?

No I, as all of us whether we notice or not dwell as KNOWING. Yet for me from or as KNOWING if any movement arises I don’t separate myself from “it”. It’s all I. I never started off with I am not this or that in my type of inquiry. I started off by seeing that I am not separate from the movement itself at the beginning. I started with thought/emotions (subject-object) as we have already spoken of. So conflict(suffering) or feeding duality as a separate self had been seen through at that early level. In this ‘seeing through’ (holistic insight) was its own action that shined light on the falsity of conflict/suffering. So for me conflict/suffering created by separating aspects of experience was already exposed and shown as self imposed/self sustaining. In this seeing its ended. Not a wrong or right type of deal. But that’s kind of what I mean by being able to discern between KNOWING and movement. Not getting mixed up. In that there is inherently the effortless resting in KNOWING OR headlessness. This relates to your prior statement about embodiment as non-activity. An illusion needs its ‘underlying reality’ right? Where this illusion is seen as such lies it’s reality..do you see what I mean? This helps in discerning. It’s not like in the presence of illusion or movement the reality is not included in that experience. It is there. As long as we divorce these “two” from one another in experience we find ourselves unable to discern the “difference”. I think it’s common what we are talking about though. Isn’t this stuff interesting dude?

What I mean is if we find ourselves in conflict with two opposing thoughts or reactions as the thinker in relation to the emotion/feeling, we are still seeing this duality in distinctions. If I see that the thinker and the thought derive there life from the same source(time-memory) then I see that the only reason there is conflict is that very reason. And that is I have separated them as two distinct “things”. From this point of view there is a thought that arises, then the I thought comes in and says I don’t like “it” and arises the conflict. But the first thought already ended before that second thought (i dont like it) began. So this apparent distinction gives a false sense of continuity as the separate self. No to me it’s one indivisible totality. “Detachment” is the action of seeing this false distinction...The KNOWING or (I AM) is recognized as itself, and is seen to take the form as modulated experience. But with a holistic understanding of this modulated activity there is not a tendency to have to stop and “find” that KNOWING systematically. Also, when conflict is not subtly fed by this modulated activity, the sense of KNOWING, or that interval between what activity does arise, is much more extended and deepened. It’s not a small interval of KNOWING and larger intervals of experience, but the opposite. So when the modulated activity of consciousness is needed it is there, but when it is not, it is not. There is a simple resting as I AM. Made a couple edits.

I think until there is a holistic seeing through all the apparent divisions between the subject & the objects of experience, there will be to much of a partial understanding of this activity. We have then not seen how all the subtleties of that duality in operation as a single indivisible whole. If we divide such activity into pieces this makes awareness very complex. To see it all as one unit in movement really makes observing the complex simple. We may not see that both the thinker and the thought are one and the same movement of time. Not seeing that the arising body/mind (ego) is born in association with its preconceived and overly fascination with the objects of experience. This really makes for a sort of a scrambled awareness and therefore subtle resistance is not caught at the door. Also makes it much more difficult to discern between subject/object activity and the KNOWING of such. But we have gone into that already.

If you really want to get to the root of suffering you need to understand the inherent conflict that arises from not seeing through the falsity of the thinker being distinct from the thought.

When I say reality or substance I’m simply referring to your direct experience itself. Not what arises in and out of that experience as phenomena(thoughts/emotions etc) but all that is born and dies in that experience itself. I would forget about god and nondual concepts. Just look ?. Your perceptions/sensations thoughts/emotions and what these derive there life from. In your day to day you will notice that this activity that arises only causes suffering because you are not in touch with the underlying reality of it all. Suffering will arise when we identify with the arising and subsiding activity of mind. This means we are constantly escaping our suffering through seeking security in the objects of experience. What is always there and doesn’t depend the objects of experience? That is where your suffering is forgotten. Also if you really want to explore suffering more in depth on the separate self level, explore the nature of thought and its relationship to the thinker(the apparent subject/object divison).

What is the “substance” that all of this activity of “How can I”, “Choosing”, and concluding that “I have No Free Will” manifests “from”? What is the underlying reality of all this arising and subsiding activity of mind?

The one indivisible totality of I AM is the best teacher.

?? haha!! ? fo—sho? Yep..well said dude And if you really allow yourself some sufficient alone & quite time you get to a place where this discipline isn’t forced. This is a kinda discipline that derives it’s energy from the UNDERSTANDING itself. Quite different than the discipline of ego. This is where the direct experience of day to day really helps. Really the best teacher and direct access to I AM. So it’s a win win. ?

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